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    yon 0 @johnpoz
    last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 12:58 PM

    @johnpoz

    I didn't specify you, I was saying that the pfsense development team needs to improve.

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      yon 0 @yon 0
      last edited by yon 0 Oct 13, 2023, 1:18 PM Oct 13, 2023, 1:11 PM

      Status_ Services (2).jpg

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        yon 0 @yon 0
        last edited by yon 0 Oct 13, 2023, 1:19 PM Oct 13, 2023, 1:13 PM

        UPnP & NAT-PMP service can't start also. this my setup.

        Services_ UPnP & NAT-PMP.jpg

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          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @yon 0
          last edited by johnpoz Oct 13, 2023, 1:17 PM Oct 13, 2023, 1:16 PM

          @yon-0 said in some services show can't start:

          I didn't specify you

          Maybe your not a native english speaker? But the use of "your" when you set the reply directed at me.. with the @johnpoz seems pretty directed at me ;)

          Prob should of worded that more like this

          I have been following pfsense for many years and Its quality control has always been problematic

          Anywho - moving this to the development section. You are more likely to get others using 23.09 to chime in there, and maybe they have seen the same sort of issue your having..

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          • J johnpoz moved this topic from General pfSense Questions on Oct 13, 2023, 1:16 PM
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            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
            last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 1:26 PM

            Wireguard tunnels can be up but the servcie that manages them may not be running. Look for php_wg.

            Unfortunately there is very little logging from wireguard. However when you start the service and it fails to start there should be something logged in the main system log.

            You clearly have quite a complex and unusual config and some part of it is causing a problem. It's not simply that WG and UPnP don't work in 23.09. We need to know a lot more to try to replicate and fix it.

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              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @yon 0
              last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 1:29 PM

              @yon-0 said in some services show can't start:

              i setup alias is b1, but show is single/0

              Ok, that is a bug I can easily replicate that.

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                yon 0 @johnpoz
                last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 1:34 PM

                @johnpoz

                Yes, my native language is not English.

                I'm talking about things, not targeting anyone. I want pfsense to be better, that's why I say so much. I found that the development team may have different philosophies, so there may be differences in how to do things. My philosophy is to use the most advanced technology, but the development is suitable for strict technical quality control. Every change developed must be tested in different internal environments, especially some that may cause serious problems and cannot be taken outside at all.
                I found that the current philosophy of the Pfsense team is that they are afraid to use advanced technologies, especially some new technologies that they dare not try and need to wait for a long time. Technology is advancing with the times, and many technologies are time-sensitive and cannot be used for a long time. We must be brave enough to try the latest Instead of avoiding things for fear of problems, it is best to control the quality of every detail is crucial. If you don’t try new technologies and find problems, users are likely to use them in conjunction with various new technologies or new equipment. If the team has not used new technologies, it will be difficult to integrate them with user needs. Computer technology relies heavily on innovation. The change in one year can be huge and it is impossible to wait until a year later to use it.

                There is a difference between opnsense and pfsense in adopting new technologies. OP is more willing to try new technologies or new things. I am used to various settings of pfsense, so it is difficult for me to change.

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                  yon 0 @yon 0
                  last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 1:42 PM

                  I recently used DTLS technology for udp tunnel, I contacted the developer directly to provide various suggestions and improvements were quickly implemented. He is a Ukrainian developer and I think he is very patient.

                  So if pfsense can consider adding new technology features, I recommend it.

                  The website of his works is this

                  https://github.com/Snawoot/dtlspipe

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                    yon 0 @stephenw10
                    last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 1:52 PM

                    @stephenw10

                    This is an example. These could have been discovered through internal review. It's too obvious. So why am I tired of reporting bugs? I'm not a technical developer and I don't know the specific details of the code. I can only report from the superficial phenomenon. Regarding the specific details, Technical issues require investigation and judgment by your technical staff. It is too difficult to leave it to ordinary users to investigate.

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                      yon 0 @yon 0
                      last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 1:56 PM

                      I use DTLS to protect wireguard, Wiregaurd has obvious characteristic shortcomings. The handshake part of the data packet is too easy to be detected and blocked by DPI.

                      Tested using DTLS and the result is that there are obvious benefits. It is currently not blocked by DPI and reduces interference. I worked with this developer to improve it.

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                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @stephenw10
                        last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 2:01 PM

                        @stephenw10 said in some services show can't start:

                        Ok, that is a bug I can easily replicate that.

                        https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/14870

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                          yon 0 @stephenw10
                          last edited by yon 0 Oct 13, 2023, 2:29 PM Oct 13, 2023, 2:23 PM

                          @stephenw10

                          when i input network 2602:fed6:7021::/48, it is show network/0 in firewall rule

                          Firewall_ Rules_ WAN (2).jpg

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                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                            last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 3:51 PM

                            This should actually be fixed in todays build (23.09.b.20231013.0600) are you testing that?

                            Existing rules will need to be resaved to populate the aliases correctly.

                            Steve

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                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @stephenw10
                              last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 3:59 PM

                              @stephenw10 JFC Steve - you need these developers working on the latest and greatest to up their quality testing and make sure every possible thing works before you release the snapshots ;)

                              hahaah

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                                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 4:14 PM

                                Mmmm. We should have caught that one but.... that's what dev builds are for. 😉

                                But in all seriousness we cannot possibly test every possible config and, especially for complex and unusual configs, we expect to see more bugs reported at each stage in the release.

                                If you have such a config I encourage you take part in the release testing process to find those bugs as early s possible.

                                Steve

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                                  yon 0 @stephenw10
                                  last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 5:58 PM

                                  @stephenw10

                                  There are so many mistakes that I can’t even count them on two hands. Upgrading is not that easy.

                                  pfSense-upgrade -dy
                                  ERROR: It was not possible to determine pkg remote version
                                  >>> Updating repositories metadata...
                                  Updating pfSense-core repository catalogue...
                                  pkg-static: An error occured while fetching package
                                  pkg-static: Impossible to get the value from Last-Modified HTTP header
                                  pkg-static: An error occured while fetching package
                                  pkg-static: Impossible to get the value from Last-Modified HTTP header
                                  repository pfSense-core has no meta file, using default settings
                                  pkg-static: An error occured while fetching package
                                  pkg-static: Impossible to get the value from Last-Modified HTTP header
                                  pkg-static: An error occured while fetching package
                                  pkg-static: Impossible to get the value from Last-Modified HTTP header
                                  Unable to update repository pfSense-core
                                  Updating pfSense repository catalogue...
                                  pkg-static: An error occured while fetching package
                                  pkg-static: Impossible to get the value from Last-Modified HTTP header
                                  pkg-static: An error occured while fetching package
                                  pkg-static: Impossible to get the value from Last-Modified HTTP header
                                  repository pfSense has no meta file, using default settings
                                  pkg-static: An error occured while fetching package
                                  pkg-static: Impossible to get the value from Last-Modified HTTP header
                                  pkg-static: An error occured while fetching package
                                  pkg-static: Impossible to get the value from Last-Modified HTTP header
                                  Unable to update repository pfSense
                                  Error updating repositories!
                                  ERROR: It was not possible to determine pfSense-upgrade remote version
                                  ERROR: It was not possible to determine pfSense-upgrade remote version
                                  >>> Upgrading pfSense-upgrade...
                                  Updating pfSense-core repository catalogue...
                                  pkg-static: An error occured while fetching package
                                  pkg-static: Impossible to get the value from Last-Modified HTTP header
                                  pkg-static: An error occured while fetching package
                                  pkg-static: Impossible to get the value from Last-Modified HTTP header
                                  repository pfSense-core has no meta file, using default settings
                                  pkg-static: An error occured while fetching package
                                  pkg-static: Impossible to get the value from Last-Modified HTTP header
                                  pkg-static: An error occured while fetching package
                                  pkg-static: Impossible to get the value from Last-Modified HTTP header
                                  Unable to update repository pfSense-core
                                  Updating pfSense repository catalogue...
                                  pkg-static: An error occured while fetching package
                                  pkg-static: Impossible to get the value from Last-Modified HTTP header
                                  pkg-static: An error occured while fetching package
                                  pkg-static: Impossible to get the value from Last-Modified HTTP header
                                  repository pfSense has no meta file, using default settings
                                  pkg-static: An error occured while fetching package
                                  pkg-static: Impossible to get the value from Last-Modified HTTP header
                                  pkg-static: An error occured while fetching package
                                  pkg-static: Impossible to get the value from Last-Modified HTTP header
                                  Unable to update repository pfSense
                                  Error updating repositories!
                                  [23.09-BETA][admin@]/root: pkg update
                                  Updating pfSense-core repository catalogue...
                                  Fetching meta.conf: 100%    163 B   0.2kB/s    00:01
                                  Fetching packagesite.pkg: 100%    2 KiB   1.6kB/s    00:01
                                  Processing entries: 100%
                                  pfSense-core repository update completed. 5 packages processed.
                                  Updating pfSense repository catalogue...
                                  Fetching meta.conf: 100%    163 B   0.2kB/s    00:01
                                  Fetching packagesite.pkg: 100%  191 KiB  17.8kB/s    00:11
                                  Processing entries: 100%
                                  pfSense repository update completed. 727 packages processed.
                                  All repositories are up to date.
                                  
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                                    yon 0 @stephenw10
                                    last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 6:01 PM

                                    @stephenw10

                                    I participate in a lot of software development tests and provide suggestions. pfsense is the one where I see the most errors, and the most important ones are a lot of errors that have a major impact. Other software test versions do not have major errors that make the system unusable.

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                                      yon 0 @johnpoz
                                      last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 6:06 PM

                                      @johnpoz

                                      haha。。 The pfsense team is too conservative. Many of the software developments I have participated in are innovative technologies that do not exist today, and we have developed and created them ourselves. However, pfsense does not even dare to follow up and use them.

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                                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                        last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 6:12 PM

                                        That http header error is just extra noise, it's been removed from the latest package version.

                                        But it is a sign it could not fetch the file which is interesting since pkg update succeeds.

                                        Does it still fail if you run pfSense-repoc first?

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                                          yon 0 @stephenw10
                                          last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 6:22 PM

                                          @stephenw10

                                          After entering this command, nothing happens.

                                          
                                          [23.09-BETA][admin@]/root: pfSense-repoc
                                          [23.09-BETA][admin@]/root:
                                          
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