Navigating to Buy pfSense +
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@gisuck said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:
"Don't read the words at are exactly printed on their blog. Instead, use my words that I just made up because trust me bro."
I'll pass. This post has devolved into more FUD.
You're frankly delusional at this point. I literally, LITERALLY copied/pasted their own words from the blog YOU POSTED.
Really? Are you that brain dead that you can't read, but telling me that I made it up? LOL, my God.
I'm done speaking with you about this, you obviously don't/won't get it.
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I asked you the point out the difference between what I stated and what they stated and you couldn't. All you said was read it and read it again after injecting an opinion that's not their. I read it a hundred times. The words on the screen didn't change. What I said and what they said are exactly the same still. Please tell me where I'm wrong.
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@gisuck said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:
I asked you the point out the difference between what I stated and what they stated and you couldn't. All you said was read it and read it again after injecting an opinion that's not their. I read it a hundred times. The words on the screen didn't change. What I said and what they said are exactly the same still. Please tell me where I'm wrong.
What is your angle here? Can't you just read a few days of motives as of why almost nobody who switched from CE to Plus at Netgate's hint, want to switch back to CE? Who is spreading the FUD here?
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One problem I have is I won't be able to re-register my Plus home license if I need to rebuild on new hardware, and frankly, I don't know why, but when I initially built it I had to request a license three times before I was able to register my Plus version. This was a big concern even before they withdrew the free home Plus licenses. The registration appears a bit flaky. Also, when I log in I can see the orders but I can't see any registration details, I had expected I would see something like device <x> registered with license <y>. And given these were home/lab licenses I had expected it would say you have requested 4 of 5 maximum licenses. What do Pro and Enterprise users see in their portal - do they see the orders, and devices and licenses associated with those devices?
They should want us to keep using the Plus version as we are an ideal pool of free testers. I'd never expected, as a home Plus user, to get anything other than community support, via the Netgate forums. They have benefitted from taking an open-source product and commercialising it, and obviously added to it, they have built an offering from the hard work of countless contributors who created pfSense, and m0m0wall. I don't understand why you would throw loads of free testers under the bus.
And they should keep CE up-to-date, I understand it has the older version of openSSL, which is now defunct, and they are putting v3 into the next Plus release. There was an idea to register a credit card, to stop people who might want to abuse the free Plus licensing, but that creates a big problem for Netgate who would have to ensure these are stored very securely, if they got hacked they'd have a company-ending situation on their hands. How many licenses should a home-lab email account have? 2, 3, 4, 5? I could do with 2, maybe a max of 3 (one for testing new releases).
Please Netgate don't leave us in limbo, and please don't force us to look elsewhere.
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@gisuck said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:
I read it a hundred times.
Really...most of us here read it once or twice...
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@JonathanS said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:
How many licenses should a home-lab email account have? 2, 3, 4, 5? I could do with 2, maybe a max of 3 (one for testing new releases).I think 5 licenses for home lab should be more than enough for testing and home use. But it needs to be set up so that we can get a new token while it invalidates the old one in case we have to reinstall or make changes to the hardware with the same netgate hardware ID.
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Here are some news
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@HorstZimmermann Just wiped of some sweat upon seeing...
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@NollipfSense true
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@HorstZimmermann said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:
Here are some news
So current pfsense+ users will still get the boot if they are not paying 129 $/year. It doesn't change anything for me. I will wait for the release and if I cannot update, at least I have time to transition to something else. "Good deal" for the coming Black Friday.
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@HorstZimmermann said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:
Here are some news
Excellent..
This is in line with what was originally promised for commerical use but it is still a rug pull for home and lab.
But it's good to see that cooler heads prevailed. No doubt they did a lot of soul searching over the weekend.
My only criticism is
"*Supply chain attacks. Be wary, be safe."
Sneaking that in at the bottom when there was no evidence of any supply chain attack ever makes it look like "ok home and lab pfsense enthusiasts, for your safety you now need to pay 129 a month because some third party did something."
Not ideal and there be tons of hate here re: that angle this afternoon for sure.
At least this was done at a time where CE and plus have compatible config.xml revisions. Switching back to CE is relatively simple as evidenced by Lawrence Technology's video.
I will place 6 orders for TAC lites where there's a commerical angle to the deployment and (annoyingly) downgrade a few instances to CE.
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For home use, $129/yr seems high. I'd consider it for a perpetual license, but for annual, some thing cheaper should be available, ie, $30/yr.
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@GPz1100 I agree. Just shy of $11 a month seems a bit steep, but we have an option to either spend $129/ year or invest in a appliance and have it pay for itself in a few years.
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@HorstZimmermann excellent news. I didn't do the downgrade to CE so the transition should be super smooth for me.
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ya, i already did the downgrade back to CE. not paying $129/year to them, especially how this all unfolded.
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@chigh09 said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:
@GPz1100 I agree. Just shy of $11 a month seems a bit steep, but we have an option to either spend $129/ year or invest in a appliance and have it pay for itself in a few years.
If they'd publish pppoe throughput I would have purchased more netgate hardware.
I deal with ISP that do 2000/1000 fiber but it involves PPPOE. On paper a 3100 can handle wireguard etc well enough for my needs but as we know, freebsd has issues with pppoe. Needs thicc single core performance. They don't publish what the devices will achieve here. I think a 3100 might crap out well below 1000 Mbit pppoe and it's unclear if a 6100 will handle 2000 Mbit pppoe.
So people go build their own thing. We were promised commercial TAC Lite for 129. We got that now. But legit home and lab... Dad's hunting cottage Starlink ain't paying 129 a year. It's still a rug pull.
Going to have to re-flash these to CE and pray that CE will keep being maintained.
Hopefully the TAC lite sales will bring fresh motivation to do the right thing by the community.
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I think $129 deal is ok, but I prefer it like done by proxmox -optional.
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Does anyone understand what netgate is on about when they talk about supply chain attacks...?
"We did not set out to make a commercial fork of the pfSense project that would be weaponized against us and the community. Recent discoveries have caused us to question who is benefiting from the work we do: pfSense Plus has been illegally copied, modified *, installed, and resold on third-party hardware and in the cloud in direct violation of our terms of use." *Supply chain attacks. Be wary, be safe.
Have they discovered some kind of chinese back door or what?
And how is it fixed by paying $129 or $399..
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@dopeytree said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:
Does anyone understand what netgate is on about when they talk about supply chain attacks...?
"We did not set out to make a commercial fork of the pfSense project that would be weaponized against us and the community. Recent discoveries have caused us to question who is benefiting from the work we do: pfSense Plus has been illegally copied, modified *, installed, and resold on third-party hardware and in the cloud in direct violation of our terms of use." *Supply chain attacks. Be wary, be safe.
Have they discovered some kind of chinese back door or what?
And how is it fixed by paying $129 or $399..
Do you like a good story? It's like "something bad happened to us, give us 129$ for medical expenses, and after we get better you can still pay us, because why not. "
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@chudak said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:
I think $129 deal is ok, but I prefer it like done by proxmox -optional.
ProxMox user here myself. I don't mind the $129 per year which is fine for home use. But as a home lab where I constantly rebuild servers and testing them how is it that going to work? I would need more licenses to test. Guess I'll stick with CE for that scenario.
