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    • RobbieTTR
      RobbieTT @w0w
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      @w0w said in PPPoE WAN does not restart correctly after reconfiguring interfaces.:

      Can anyone else test this behavior and confirm it?

      Yes.

      Annoying isn't it?

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      • stephenw10S
        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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        That could be separate issues. The panic is almost certainly this: https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/14431

        Do you have VIPs on the PPPoE? That first issue could be this: https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/14434

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        • w0wW
          w0w @stephenw10
          last edited by

          @stephenw10

          @stephenw10 said in PPPoE WAN does not restart correctly after reconfiguring interfaces.:

          That could be separate issues. The panic is almost certainly this: https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/14431

          Hope so.

          @stephenw10 said in PPPoE WAN does not restart correctly after reconfiguring interfaces.:

          Do you have VIPs on the PPPoE? That first issue could be this: https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/14434

          I have VIP on parent interface, but not on the PPPoE itself. Anyway, will try to remove it and test again.

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          • w0wW
            w0w
            last edited by

            No VIPs, same problem.

            Nov 12 08:56:45 	ppp 	15723 	process 15723 terminated
            Nov 12 08:56:45 	ppp 	15723 	[wan_link0] Link: Shutdown
            Nov 12 08:56:45 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] Bundle: Shutdown
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan_link0] LCP: state change Closed --> Initial
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan_link0] LCP: Down event
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan_link0] LCP: Close event
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan_link0] Link: giving up after 0 reconnection attempts
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan_link0] Link: DOWN event
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan_link0] LCP: LayerFinish
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan_link0] LCP: state change Closing --> Closed
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan_link0] LCP: rec'd Terminate Ack #3 (Closing)
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan_link0] LCP: LayerDown
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan_link0] LCP: SendTerminateReq #3
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPV6CP: state change Closed --> Initial
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPV6CP: Down event
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPCP: state change Closed --> Initial
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPCP: Down event
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPV6CP: Close event
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPCP: Close event
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] Bundle: Status update: up 0 links, total bandwidth 9600 bps
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan_link0] Link: Leave bundle "wan"
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan_link0] LCP: state change Opened --> Closing
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan_link0] LCP: Close event
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan_link0] Link: CLOSE event
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPCP: rec'd Terminate Ack #5 (Closed)
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPV6CP: rec'd Terminate Ack #4 (Closed)
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] Bundle: closing link "wan_link0"...
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] Bundle: No NCPs left. Closing links...
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPV6CP: LayerFinish
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPV6CP: state change Closing --> Closed
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPV6CP: rec'd Terminate Ack #3 (Closing)
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPCP: LayerFinish
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPCP: state change Closing --> Closed
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPCP: rec'd Terminate Ack #4 (Closing)
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPCP: SendTerminateReq #5
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPV6CP: SendTerminateReq #4
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IFACE: Set description "WAN"
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IFACE: Rename interface pppoe0 to pppoe0
            Nov 12 08:56:43 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IFACE: Down event
            Nov 12 08:56:40 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPV6CP: LayerDown
            Nov 12 08:56:40 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPV6CP: SendTerminateReq #3
            Nov 12 08:56:40 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPV6CP: state change Opened --> Closing
            Nov 12 08:56:40 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPV6CP: Close event
            Nov 12 08:56:40 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IFACE: Removing IPv4 address from pppoe0 failed(IGNORING for now. This should be only for PPPoE friendly!): Can't assign requested address
            Nov 12 08:55:47 	ppp 	6735 	can't lock /var/run/pppoe_wan.pid after 30 attempts
            Nov 12 08:55:46 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:45 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:44 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:43 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:42 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:41 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:40 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:39 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:38 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:37 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:36 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:35 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:34 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:33 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:32 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:31 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:30 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:29 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:28 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:27 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:26 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:25 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:24 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:23 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:22 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:21 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:20 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:19 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:18 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:17 	ppp 	6735 	waiting for process 15723 to die...
            Nov 12 08:55:17 	ppp 	6735 	process 6735 started, version 5.9
            Nov 12 08:55:17 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPCP: LayerDown
            Nov 12 08:55:17 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPCP: SendTerminateReq #4
            Nov 12 08:55:17 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPCP: state change Opened --> Closing
            Nov 12 08:55:17 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IPCP: Close event
            Nov 12 08:55:17 	ppp 	15723 	[wan] IFACE: Close event
            Nov 12 08:55:17 	ppp 	15723 	caught fatal signal TERM
            Nov 12 08:55:17 	ppp 	6735 	Multi-link PPP daemon for FreeBSD 
            

            System log also contains:

            Nov 12 08:56:58 	php-fpm 	29419 	/rc.filter_configure_sync: GW States: Gateway is down but its IP address cannot be located. Skipping state kill.: WAN_PPPOE 
            

            So no, it is not related to VIPs

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            • stephenw10S
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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              Hmm, interesting. It's still two competing mpd processes though, each one starts a new process when it dies even though another one is already running. 🤔

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              • w0wW
                w0w @stephenw10
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                @stephenw10
                Yep…
                ps aux | grep mpd5
                right arter /usr/local/sbin/pfSctl -c 'interface reload wan'
                shows two mpd5 with same command line used, not sure what was caused that. Will triple check if I have some forgotten scripts somewhere 😊

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                  It's probably the same race condition caused by VIPs on PPPoE. Not sure what would trigger it in your case though.

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                  • RobbieTTR
                    RobbieTT @stephenw10
                    last edited by

                    @stephenw10
                    Can PPPoE itself be comparable to a VIP - it is a tunnel within a real interface IP?

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                    • w0wW
                      w0w @stephenw10
                      last edited by

                      @stephenw10
                      Any thoughts how to debug this?

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                      • stephenw10S
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @RobbieTT
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                        @RobbieTT said in PPPoE WAN does not restart correctly after reconfiguring interfaces.:

                        @stephenw10
                        Can PPPoE itself be comparable to a VIP - it is a tunnel within a real interface IP?

                        Yes interesting question. Certainly there are plenty of people doing that. If you get a 'business' connection with a /29 from BT for example that is how you might use them.
                        But is that valid on a point to point connection? It seems like a regression but possibly it worked previously just by luck.

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                        • RobbieTTR
                          RobbieTT @stephenw10
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                          @stephenw10

                          Continuing the thinking, do all the different IPv6 addresses we create on an interface count as VIPs?

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                          • stephenw10S
                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                            last edited by

                            No, not in the same way that's triggering that flapping. I've never seen the competing mpd instances here for example.

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                            • w0wW
                              w0w @stephenw10
                              last edited by w0w

                              @stephenw10
                              Well, can’t the mpd itself be the cause? It starts with the -k key, but for some reason it cannot access the PID file of the previously started process. I looked at your competitors project, it seems like they have a similar problem and Franco suggested that it’s the MPD itself, their patch calls a external non mpd function that kills the process by the PID, this is, of course, if I understood everything correctly.

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                              • stephenw10S
                                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                last edited by

                                It's certainly possible. It feels more like a regression in the boot code though. Or at least a change there. It didn't used to do this in earlier versions and mpd really hasn't changed much. Though it was never that great! 😉

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                                  pFence
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                                  I have two WAN interfaces, and both are configured for DHCP6 (next to PPPoE for IPv4 on one of them, and DHCP on the other). In that case an automatic periodic reset configured for PPPoE or manually issuing

                                  /usr/local/sbin/pfSctl -c 'interface reload wan'
                                  

                                  will break PPPoE, and a second mpd is active for about 30 seconds before it vanishes.
                                  However, as soon as I disable DHCP6 on either of them, issuing the command will not break PPPoE, and a second mpd is active for only about 5 seconds before it vanishes.
                                  Note that this happens even if one of the WAN interfaces actually has no communication because I interrupted the link one hop behind the router. So the bug seems to be related to multiple IPv6 configurations (and not primarily to multiple PPPoE or DHCP communications)?

                                  Is there a bug associated to this issue?

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                                  • stephenw10S
                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                    last edited by

                                    Hmm, do those IPv6 link both work initially? There have been problems with dual PPPoE link carrying IPv6 in the past: https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/13939

                                    There is only a problem when it resets?

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                                      pFence @stephenw10
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                                      @stephenw10 said in PPPoE WAN does not restart correctly after reconfiguring interfaces.:

                                      Hmm, do those IPv6 link both work initially? There have been problems with dual PPPoE link carrying IPv6 in the past: https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/13939

                                      That is not the issue here. My configuration is

                                      • WAN1: PPPoE and DHCP6
                                      • WAN2: DHCP and DHCP6

                                      When I remove one of the DHCP6 configurations and reload, the PPPoE on WAN1 immediately activates. If I keep both and reload, even after hours PPPoE on WAN1 remains dead.

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                                      • stephenw10S
                                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                        Ah I see. Does restarting the DHCP WAN also trigger it?

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                                          pFence
                                          last edited by

                                          I do not know the syntax to send a reload command just for interface WAN2.

                                          /usr/local/sbin/pfSctl -c 'interface reload wan2'
                                          

                                          does not work.

                                          Using the GUI though, when I enable interface WAN2 with a DHCP6 configuration where it didn't have one before, that does not kill PPPoE on interface WAN1. But I am not sure whether that is equivalent to an 'interface reload' command.

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                                          • stephenw10S
                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                            You'd have to use the internal interface name there so possibly:
                                            /usr/local/sbin/pfSctl -c 'interface reload opt1'

                                            Check the config or console menu to see those like:

                                             WAN (wan)   -> ix3  -> v4/DHCP4: 172.21.16.23/24
                                             LAN (lan)   -> igc0 -> v4: 192.168.23.1/24
                                             WAN2 (opt1) -> ix2  -> 
                                             WAN3 (opt2) -> ix0  -> 
                                             WAN4 (opt3) -> ix1  -> 
                                             LAN2 (opt4) -> igc1 -> 
                                            
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