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New NIC - Now can't access cable modem GUI

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    alhaunts
    last edited by alhaunts Dec 5, 2023, 3:47 PM Dec 5, 2023, 3:30 PM

    Networking noob here. Running CE 2.7.1 with a 192.168.1.0/24 LAN subnet. Basic default configuration. WAN gets an external IP via DHCP from a bridged cable modem. I was able to access the modem admin GUI at 192.168.100.1 just fine UNTIL I upgraded the NIC.

    Now everything seems to work well EXCEPT I can no longer reach the modem GUI. The attempt simply times-out. Any help is appreciated.

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      alhaunts @alhaunts
      last edited by Dec 5, 2023, 3:45 PM

      I should add that I can successfully ping the modem at 192.168.100.1 from the LAN, but get no other response.

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        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
        last edited by Dec 5, 2023, 4:49 PM

        Which NIC did you upgrade? From what to what?

        I assume you have a public IP on the WAN side?

        Steve

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          alhaunts @stephenw10
          last edited by alhaunts Dec 5, 2023, 7:16 PM Dec 5, 2023, 7:15 PM

          @stephenw10

          Upgraded from Realtek RTL8111 1Gb NICs with the re(x) driver to Intel i226-v 2.5Gb NICs with igc(x) driver.

          Yes, I have a public IP on the WAN and internet access is working perfectly. It's weird to me because I can ping the modem at 192.168.100.1 and get 2ms response times, but trying to access the same IP with a browser now just times out. This was no a problem before the NIC upgrade.

          I'm stumped.

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            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
            last edited by Dec 5, 2023, 8:31 PM

            Mmm, that shouldn't make any difference.

            Can you ping the modem from a LAN side client as well as pfSense itself?

            Do you have outbound NAT set to manual mode? You might be missing a required rule there.

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              alhaunts @stephenw10
              last edited by Dec 5, 2023, 9:30 PM

              @stephenw10

              Yes. Pingable from both pfSense diagnostics & LAN side clients. About 2ms response time from both.

              Outbound NAT is set to automatic. (firewall/routing rules are the defaults)

              Cable modem is a Sagemcom F@ST 3896 in bridged mode (if it matters).

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                JKnott @alhaunts
                last edited by Dec 5, 2023, 9:36 PM

                @alhaunts

                Some cable modems have to be rebooted when the NIC or computer has been changed.

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                  tinfoilmatt @JKnott
                  last edited by Dec 5, 2023, 9:45 PM

                  Some cable modems have to be rebooted when the NIC or computer has been changed.

                  i'd venture to say 'all' but would settle for 'most.' L2/ARP cache thing.

                  another thing i've personally wrestled with before: doesn't sound like you are, but make sure you're not using any 'custom' DNS entry for the modem and attempting access only via its IP address. modern browser certificate checks, not-worth-tracking-down-in-browser-settings and whatnot kinda thing.

                  multiple non-cached browsers to corroborate one another.

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                    alhaunts @JKnott
                    last edited by Dec 5, 2023, 10:16 PM

                    @JKnott Yes, had to reboot modem and then router to regain internet access, but no joy with the modem login.

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                      NOCling
                      last edited by Dec 5, 2023, 10:19 PM

                      You need a virtual IP an WAN like this:
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                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                        last edited by Dec 5, 2023, 10:32 PM

                        Yup probably that^.

                        Hard to explain how that worked with the other NIC though... 🤔

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                          tinfoilmatt @alhaunts
                          last edited by Dec 5, 2023, 10:40 PM

                          @alhaunts pull the power on the modem (technically a 'gateway device' since it functions as both modem and router) for at least 30 seconds. failing that you could...

                          1.) call ISP to ensure they don't need to whitelist your access. new NIC's MAC address would be the operative piece of information.
                          2.) buy your own modem.

                          there's at least a few technical reasons i can think of, based on your description of everything, why you were able to access this GUI before—and now you can't after simply swapping a NIC. but it's not worth delving into if you're simply failing to clear caches through a simple power-cycle and/or need the ISP's assistance.

                          and it can't be overstated: buy your own modem if the ISP permits it.

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                            tinfoilmatt @NOCling
                            last edited by Dec 5, 2023, 10:43 PM

                            @NOCling said in New NIC - Now can't access cable modem GUI:

                            You need a virtual IP an WAN like this:
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                            @stephenw10 said in New NIC - Now can't access cable modem GUI:

                            Yup probably that^.

                            Hard to explain how that worked with the other NIC though... 🤔

                            no. not unless OP is filtering outbound traffic on the LAN side, which i think we can safely assume is not the case.

                            @alhaunts just thought of something else while writing this reply—are you using the 192.168.100.1/24 (or smaller) subnet anywhere else on your network?

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                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                              last edited by Dec 5, 2023, 11:03 PM

                              Many modem devices will require a VIP and NAT to it so they have a route back to reply. But that would not change with the NIC.

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                                tinfoilmatt @stephenw10
                                last edited by tinfoilmatt Dec 5, 2023, 11:07 PM Dec 5, 2023, 11:06 PM

                                @stephenw10 if the gateway device is echoing pings... there's already a route out and back.

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                                  provels
                                  last edited by Dec 5, 2023, 11:14 PM

                                  Can you telnet to 192.168.100.1 on port 80?

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                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                    last edited by Dec 5, 2023, 11:14 PM

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                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @tinfoilmatt
                                      last edited by Dec 5, 2023, 11:15 PM

                                      @cyberconsultants True!

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                                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @stephenw10
                                        last edited by johnpoz Dec 6, 2023, 1:26 AM Dec 6, 2023, 1:13 AM

                                        So ran into something like this a while back.. Where you had to do something with reply-to or something.. Let me see if can dig up that thread..

                                        I currently can access mine on 192.168.100.1 but I know I had to change my rules a bit and could duplicate what the poster was seeing.. give me bit, brb.

                                        edit: ok this is the thread I was thinking about.

                                        https://forum.netgate.com/topic/181715/solved-problems-with-understanding-advanced-egress-filtering

                                        We kind of went down the wrong rabbit hole for a bit.. But this is what I currently have set

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                                        Notice reply-to is set to disabled. If I allow the reply-to it doesn't work..

                                        My vip is set to 192.168.100.2 and my modem is at 192.168.100.1

                                        Have to reread over the thread, but I think if you turned off the whole blocking outbound to rfc1918 it worked without having to disable reply-to.

                                        I kept meaning to dive into the reply-to and outbound blocking and order deeper, but then got side tracked.

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                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                          last edited by Dec 6, 2023, 1:43 AM

                                          That's outbound on WAN?

                                          That might be bypassed by adding a VIP so it appears as a local subnet. Hmm.

                                          Still wouldn't change by using a different NIC though

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