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    • jimpJ
      jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate @sandie
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      @sandie said in Terrapin SSH Attack:

      I fully agree with everything what Jim written, but… ;) OpenSSH 9.6 anytime soon in pfSense? (23.09.2?) :)

      I don't know that this is worth a point release all on its own especially given the timing. Given the high barrier to do anything meaningful, the workaround is sufficient for now unless new information comes up suggesting otherwise.

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        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @jimp
        last edited by johnpoz

        @jimp So will 9.6 be coming with the next normal release? I mean 9.5 was out a month before 23.09 dropped. I not sure why when 23.09 or even 23.09.1 came out why openssh wasn't updated to 9.5?

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          sandie @johnpoz
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          @johnpoz Newer <> Better often. I am going to apply Jim’s patch, but we will upgrade each and every system which offers OpenSSH 9.6 (hopefully not having too many of nodes).
          I was just crosschecking what is the plan. I think this problem may be urgent only for people who need to use those ciphers, but we are going to stop using them.

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            mcury Rebel Alliance @sandie
            last edited by

            I'm not in a hurry to apply these patches since I'm not exposing SSH to the internet.
            SSH is only for my MGMT network.

            So, I'm just waiting right now..

            dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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            • jimpJ
              jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate @johnpoz
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              @johnpoz said in Terrapin SSH Attack:

              @jimp So will 9.6 be coming with the next normal release? I mean 9.5 was out a month before 23.09 dropped. I not sure why when 23.09 or even 23.09.1 came out why openssh wasn't updated to 9.5?

              We follow FreeBSD's lead here. We take whichever version is in base. At the moment that is 9.5p1 on dev snapshots. If they put 9.6 in base and we merge after that point, we'll pick it up.

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              • the otherT
                the other
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                hey there,
                first...thank you for your work, explanations, patch and work. :)
                Then just a short feedback: although I do not have ssh open to the Internet, I used the nmap script to check..., of course, there it was: chacha and etm just as @johnpoz posted. And then it bugged me so much I installed the patch (first one of the two posted by @jimp) anyways. Rebooted, waited, checked ssh (which is still working) and got that mild feeling of relief (even though no ssh to Internet and only homenetwork with chance for MitM relatively small...but it feels better). So thanx for that one moment of easyness in pre-xmas-stress mode. :)

                the other

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                please excuse poor english skills and typpoz :)

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                • jimpJ
                  jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                  last edited by

                  The patch to disable ChaCha and ETM is now available in System Patches Package v2.2.9 as a recommended patch. Read the linked thread before updating the package.

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                    michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @jimp
                    last edited by michmoor

                    @jimp
                    The patch works out nicely. Thanks to the prompt response.

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                      monsen
                      last edited by monsen

                      I just noticed that this patch seems to "break" shh connectivity with Windows.

                      After applying the patch (and restarting the ssh deamon), when trying to SSH to the box from Windows, it now just reports

                      Corrupted MAC on input.
                      ssh_dispatch_run_fatal: Connection to 10.11.11.1 port 22: message authentication code incorrect
                      

                      Tested disabling the patch, and everything was back working again. I made sure to test from multiple version of Windows and Windows server to confirm a general problem.

                      Doing a bit of ssh debugging, I noticed that Windows would try to use "umac-128@openssh.com" as the MAC algorithm, which is also is one of the ones listed as supported on the pfsense box after the patch. It also chose aes128-ctr as the Crypto algorithm. (OpenSSH_for_Windows_8.6p1, LibreSSL 3.4.3; among others)

                      It can be worked around on the Windows side by just excluding the umac-128@openssh.com algorithm either in the client config file or on the command line, or by forcing Windows to use AES-GCM.

                      I did some further testing, and while the issue isn't technically caused by the patch, it is still present even without the patch if you force the SSH client to choose the same algorithms it would have picked then, I still thought it worthwhile to report it here, since this patch is technically what will trigger the "bad" MAC algorithm.

                      This may (or may not) be a fault of Windows (or the OpenSSH client version compiled for Windows),

                      (Running Netgate 4100, 23.09.1-RELEASE)

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                      • STLJonnyS
                        STLJonny @monsen
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                        @monsen

                        Simple fix that I've found, to fix my Windows to be able to ssh to my pfSense install (after applying the patch) is the following.

                        Add the following like to c:\users<user>.ssh/config

                        MACs hmac-sha2-512

                        This forced my ssh to use that MAC (message authentication code), of which pfSense is fine with.

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                        • JonathanLeeJ
                          JonathanLee
                          last edited by JonathanLee

                          So is cha cha poly safe to use at this point? That is supposed to be the new advanced encryption algorithm. Disabling it kind of lets the bad guys win as we are degrading our systems by way of encryption algorithms. Is there a solution. Yes I am also aware that OpenVPN side doesn’t have support for it yet. The SMID assembly code is available on the processor I am using. Is this a software issue where not many programmers understand how to work with it? Bleeding edge software issues?

                          Just to confirm ChaCha is similar to a “Diffie-Hellman" algorithm? Based on the vulnerability explanation it acts just like one. Is it something new that had a security vulnerability? That exploit seems to have the ability to perform this on other algorithms as well. What makes sha better suited to this attack when they also do key exchanges?

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @jimp
                              last edited by

                              @jimp said in Terrapin SSH Attack:

                              After applying the patch, reboot or restart the SSH daemon:

                              /usr/local/bin/php-cgi -f /etc/sshd

                              Like that. ^

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                                DominikHoffmann
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                                I take it, pfSense 24.03 has fixed this. Am I correct?

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                                • stephenw10S
                                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                  last edited by

                                  Yes it was patched in openssh 9.6.

                                  [24.03-RELEASE][admin@4200.stevew.lan]/root: ssh -V
                                  OpenSSH_9.6p1, OpenSSL 3.0.13 24 Oct 2023
                                  
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                                  • lifeboyL
                                    lifeboy @stephenw10
                                    last edited by

                                    @stephenw10 I see that CE 2.7.2 doesn't have openssh 9.6 yet. Does one manually have to upgrade openssh?

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                                    • stephenw10S
                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                      last edited by

                                      There is a patch in the system patches package to disable the affected ciphers. Apply it.

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                                        willowen100
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                                        Hi

                                        I know this is an old post, I'd like to add that I too am having problems connecting from a Windows client PC using OpenSSH.

                                        With the below patch applied
                                        Workaround for Terrapin SSH Attack (After applying the patch, reboot or restart the SSH daemon, FreeBSD-SA-23:19.openssh, Terrapin Attack)

                                        I get an error connecting

                                        PS C:\Users\Will> ssh admin@192.168.5.1
                                        Corrupted MAC on input.
                                        ssh_dispatch_run_fatal: Connection to 192.168.5.1 port 22: message authentication code incorrect
                                        

                                        After listing the MAC algorithms with

                                        PS C:\Users\Will> ssh -Q mac
                                        hmac-sha1
                                        hmac-sha1-96
                                        hmac-sha2-256
                                        hmac-sha2-512
                                        hmac-md5
                                        hmac-md5-96
                                        umac-64@openssh.com
                                        umac-128@openssh.com
                                        hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com
                                        hmac-sha1-96-etm@openssh.com
                                        hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com
                                        hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com
                                        hmac-md5-etm@openssh.com
                                        hmac-md5-96-etm@openssh.com
                                        umac-64-etm@openssh.com
                                        umac-128-etm@openssh.com
                                        

                                        If I try connecting with the first MAC algorithm I get a prompt to try different ones

                                        PS C:\Users\Will> ssh admin@192.168.5.1 -m hmac-sha1
                                        Unable to negotiate with 192.168.5.1 port 22: no matching MAC found. Their offer: hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha2-256,umac-128@openssh.com
                                        

                                        The only way to connect to pfSense via SSH is with

                                        ssh admin@192.168.5.1 -m hmac-sha2-512
                                        

                                        Once in pfSense I'm able to get the OpenSSH version

                                        [2.7.2-RELEASE][admin@pfSense.lan]/root: ssh -V
                                        OpenSSH_9.4p1, OpenSSL 3.0.12 24 Oct 2023
                                        

                                        Some more information can be found here at the link below
                                        https://serverfault.com/questions/994646/ssh-on-windows-corrupted-mac-on-input

                                        Is there any fix with this on the pfSense CE edition?

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                                        • STLJonnyS
                                          STLJonny @willowen100
                                          last edited by

                                          @willowen100 See my reply, above in this thread, for a fix from the windows side.

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                                            willowen100 @STLJonny
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                                            @STLJonny That works perfectly!

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