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    strange errorThere were error(s) loading the rules: pfctl: SIOCGIFGROUP: Device not configured

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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @Ellis Michael Lieberman
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      @Ellis-Michael-Lieberman said in strange errorThere were error(s) loading the rules: pfctl: SIOCGIFGROUP: Device not configured:

      Mar 4 03:09:34 kernel arp: 00:0c:43:e1:76:29 is using my IP address 192.168.1.1 on igc3!
      Mar 4 03:09:36 kernel arp: 00:0c:43:e1:76:29 is using my IP address 192.168.1.1 on igc3!

      Does it always appear like that with 2s between two warnings?

      I'd be amazed if that's not a real conflict. I've never seen that alert triggered as a false positive.

      I'd still guess it's something using that MAC at bootup, maybe trying to PXE boot. Something with a Ralink SoC probably.

      Anything else that sees those broadcasts and updates it's ARP table would lose connectivity until it gets updated again. However you said you checked the ARP table on the monitoring system whilst it showed as down and it was correct. So it could be unrelated.

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        Ellis Michael Lieberman @stephenw10
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        @stephenw10
        First, not it is not always twice. It is often once. As is:

        Mar 3 20:25:00	sshguard	80813	Exiting on signal.
        Mar 3 20:25:00	sshguard	70235	Now monitoring attacks.
        Mar 3 20:29:29	kernel		arp: 00:0c:43:e1:76:29 is using my IP address 192.168.1.1 on igc3!
        Mar 3 20:34:00	sshguard	70235	Exiting on signal.
        Mar 3 20:34:00	sshguard	47918	Now monitoring attacks.
        Mar 3 20:43:00	sshguard	47918	Exiting on signal.
        
        • Nothing was booting on the LAN. I have a log for that on the network monitoring tool.
        • Everything that boots has a known MAC address which isn't that one.
          I know each and every item on this LAN. I put these things on the LAN. Every item is accounted for and its MAC address is know. There is no Ralink devices here.
        • The reporting of a Down interface is on 30 second sweeps. The connection between the arp table and the DOWN map is not at the same time. The event had passed. The event was millisecond or two and then the Router has to regain the PPPoE traffic.
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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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          Ok likely unrelated then.

          You should still find out what is sending from that MAC though. Something on that segment is and clearly it's something you don't know about.

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            Ellis Michael Lieberman @stephenw10
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            @stephenw10 ,
            Are you referring to the device that miraculously appeared the very moment I upgraded to the current version and was never there before? The one that miraculously installed itself, as I had not installed anything on the network?

            OK, so do you know of any exorcists? My Rolodex is not helpful when it comes to the supernatural.

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              Ellis Michael Lieberman @stephenw10
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              @stephenw10 ,

              I have logged into the managed switch the router is directly connect to via CLI.

              Here is the setting:

              mac address-table filtering 00:0c:43:e1:76:29 vid 1
              
                                  MAC Address Table                    
              ------------------------------------------------------------  
              MAC                VLAN    Port     Type            Aging    
              ---                ----    ----     ----            -----    
              00:0c:43:e1:76:29  1                filter          no-aging 
              00:12:31:8f:30:6a  1       Gi1/0/2  dynamic         aging    
              00:12:41:fc:82:a8  1       Gi1/0/15 dynamic         aging
              

              Here is the description from the PDF of the manual for the switch;

              14.4 mac address-table filtering
              Description
              The mac address-table filtering command is used to add the filtering
              address entry. To delete the corresponding entry, please use no mac
              address-table filtering command. The filtering address function is to forbid
              the undesired package to be forwarded. The filtering address can be added
              or removed manually, independent of the aging time.
              
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              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                Ok so it's filtering that MAC on all ports? It will be interesting to see if that stops it logging in pfSense. Or perhaps more interesting if it doesn't! 😉

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                  Ellis Michael Lieberman @stephenw10
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                  @stephenw10
                  Yes, it is filtering on all ports.

                  I was frustrated as to why the GUI interface for the managed switch didn't allow for MAC filtering. I downloaded the PDF for the switch and found that the CLI allowed for it.

                  There are two managed switches on this LAN. The one I configured is the one the router directly connects to on switch port #14. It's a straight CAT6 between the units.

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                  • stephenw10S
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                    Mmm, interesting. If the mystery device (assuming it exists!) is connected to the other switch ARP broadcasts may still reach clients.

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                      Ellis Michael Lieberman @stephenw10
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                      @stephenw10,

                      Are you saying that the packet would show up with the MAC address of the other managed switch and get passed though?

                      There are five other unmanaged switches on this network. It that's the case, then it would get through regardless. Of the more than 50 (sometimes 60 with all the cellphones using WiFi, only the router and maybe three other device are directly connected. Everything else comes through other switches. (Of the 16 ports on the main managed switch, ten ports are in use. Four direct to devices and six to switches.)

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                        Ellis Michael Lieberman @stephenw10
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                        @stephenw10 ,
                        I dumped the "show mac address-table" from the switch. The only PC that was running on the LAN was mine and the printer was off line. (This is a quiet time.)

                        I ran "Angry IP" at my workstation and did a "stare and compare" of sorts, by copying the dump from the switch into a spreadsheet (sorted by MAC address), and then ran down the the results I got from Angry IP.

                        Often the dump from the switch shows a MAC address twice. Adding to the confusion is that many of the CCTV cameras have both a wired Ethernet MAC address and a WiFi MAC address plus the units report both even though only one is functioning frequently resulting in four listings for one camera on the dump. And what you have below is the actual dump of the MAC addresses.

                        As an example of the duplicates, the "MagicJack" is directly connected to the main managed switch, yet there are two listings in the dump. The D-link switch does have two listings 28:3b:82:7f:5e:e8, but the WiFi AP connected to it connected has very different MAC address 20:76:93:4e:26:27, as does the CCTV camera connected to it. (Other devices and are connected to it but were not 'on' at the time of the dump.) And the WiFi AP address 20:76:93:4e:23:e3 is connected to unmanaged switch connected to a different mail switch port while the address 20:76:93:50:4a:2b actually directly connected the main switch.

                        So, all the MAC addresses match the end device, not a switch port. For your edification, here are the results.

                        00:12:31:8f:30:6a	CCTV
                        00:12:41:fc:82:a8 	CCTV
                        00:12:41:fc:b8:d6	CCTV
                        00:12:42:10:0d:72	CCTV
                        00:12:43:6b:5a:1e	CCTV
                        00:12:43:73:ba:c4	CCTV
                        00:2a:2b:fe:80:d1	CCTV
                        00:9b:fe:72:d1:2e	CCTV
                        00:b5:d0:ef:17:bf	CCTV
                        00:c8:1e:63:8d:e8	CCTV
                        06:77:f8:74:ab:52	Mobile Phone
                        08:00:27:25:77:23 	VirtualBox Server
                        08:00:27:77:12:35	VirtualBox Server
                        08:00:27:ad:fd:b9	VirtualBox Server
                        08:00:27:d9:80:58	VirtualBox Server
                        10:27:f5:5d:21:1d	TL-Link AP
                        20:76:93:4e:23:e3	WiFI-AP
                        20:76:93:4e:26:27	WiFI-AP
                        20:76:93:50:4a:2b	WiFI-AP
                        22:09:5c:07:1d:2a	BlackBox workstation
                        28:3b:82:7f:5e:e8	D-Link Managed Switch
                        28:3b:82:7f:5e:e9	D-Link Managed Switch
                        28:9c:6e:27:10:ce	Mobile Phone
                        2a:03:3e:20:11:7e	VM Host
                        30:ff:f6:83:0a:75	CCTV
                        30:ff:f6:83:0a:75	CCTV
                        30:ff:f6:8f:50:dc	CCTV
                        30:ff:f6:8f:50:dc	CCTV
                        30:ff:f6:90:ba:94	CCTV
                        30:ff:f6:90:ba:94	CCTV
                        50:c7:bf:d7:1b:e6	WiFI-AP
                        50:c7:bf:d7:1b:e6	WiFI-AP
                        54:f1:5f:fc:b1:b6	CCTV
                        54:f1:5f:fc:b1:b6	CCTV
                        60:be:b4:07:00:b5	Router
                        60:be:b4:07:00:b5	Router
                        6c:33:a9:1d:27:4b	MagicJack
                        6c:33:a9:1d:27:4b	MagicJack
                        88:28:7d:38:52:ca	CCTV
                        88:28:7d:38:52:ca	CCTV
                        88:28:7d:4e:fb:9f 	CCTV
                        88:28:7d:4e:fb:9f 	CCTV
                        b0:48:7a:e2:5b:86	WiFI-AP
                        b0:48:7a:e2:5b:86	WiFI-AP
                        b4:fb:e3:36:18:74	CCTV
                        b4:fb:e3:36:18:74	CCTV
                        b4:fb:e3:36:30:4d	CCTV
                        b4:fb:e3:36:30:4d	CCTV
                        b4:fb:e3:36:41:c8	CCTV
                        b4:fb:e3:36:41:c8	CCTV
                        b4:fb:e3:36:44:54	CCTV
                        b4:fb:e3:36:44:54	CCTV
                        b4:fb:e3:36:47:0c	CCTV
                        b4:fb:e3:36:47:0c	CCTV
                        b4:fb:e3:39:49:1f	CCTV
                        b4:fb:e3:39:49:1f	CCTV
                        d6:f1:6e:cf:fe:17	Mobile Phone
                        e0:e1:a9:bc:d2:fd	CCTV
                        e2:e0:b9:4a:8c:ce	CCTV
                        
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                          pfsss @Ellis Michael Lieberman
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                          @Ellis-Michael-Lieberman @stephenw10
                          in my comprehension, my problem is caused by the the large loss at gateway, especially when the download speed is high, and then the system restarts my pppoe gateway, but using a new config called 'ng0' instead of the origin config 'pppoe1'. So no matter how I reconnect, pppoe remains failed unless I reboot my pfsense device to switch to the origin config file.

                          is that right?

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                            Ellis Michael Lieberman @pfsss
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                            @pfsss
                            In my case, PPPoE never actually seems to drop. There is no reset. The IP "conflict" is reported, I see, both via the network tool and in real time, a loss of connectivity, but without any rest, all eventually within about 60 seconds comes back stable again. The only thing the log notes is the IP conflict from an unknown MAC address.

                            The error 65 I was experiencing was, today, resolved via a multi-day series of contacts with my ISP that finally got them to resolve something on their side. My only mystery is now the phantom MAC address and the IP address the phantom is creating. There are literally no more log entries in the gateway log. But even after the error 65 errors ended the phantom MAC address issue remained.

                            I have put a block on that MAC address in the managed switch the router is directly connected to as @stephenw10 is convinced it's something on my LAN. The errors can take as much as 36 hours between incidents, so I am just waiting.

                            (In the meantime, there is apparently damage to transpacific fiber cable connecting the Philippines to the USA and Europe. So, if the problem is an outside attack, as a fellow on Reddit is claiming, the cable cut may be dampening the effort. My bandwidth within the Philippines is currently fantastic. I suspect it's because international traffic is hobbled :-) )

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                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @pfsss
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                              @pfsss If you have a WAN with a lot of buffer bloat or just very lossy you may need to tune the gateway monitoring so it doesn't trigger at latency or packet loss levels that are expected.
                              If you only have one gateway you can also just disable the monitoring action for it so it never gets marked down.

                              PPPoE uses NetGraph to create the connections. It is first created as ng0 and then renamed as ppppoe0. That's expected.

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                                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @Ellis Michael Lieberman
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                                @Ellis-Michael-Lieberman Yeah I would expect to see the mystery MAC in the switch table if it passed the switch. But those entries will expire so it would only be there for some time after it appears.

                                No I wouldn't expect to see any traffic from a switch MAC masking the original source unless any of those switches are layer 3 and actually routing.

                                The only time I've seen MAC addresses being 'NAT'd' is when using WIFI extenders which are almost always a terrible idea!

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                                • stephenw10S
                                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                  @Ellis-Michael-Lieberman said in strange errorThere were error(s) loading the rules: pfctl: SIOCGIFGROUP: Device not configured:

                                  00:0c:43:e1:76:29

                                  Googling that MAC address shows it's the default used in a bunch of OpenWRT based firmwares. I'd bet this is an access point somehow dropping to it's default values temporarily. I could imagine it doing that at boot when the boot loader checks for PXE boot options. However that would definitely interrupt any wifi devices using it. Unless perhaps you have enough coverage that devices switch APs seamlessly?
                                  If the APs you have show uptime that would rule it out.

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                                    Ellis Michael Lieberman @stephenw10
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                                    @stephenw10,
                                    There are three APs on the LAN that do use OpenWRT but their uptimes are:

                                    30d 19h 5m 25s
                                    30d 19h 5m 28s
                                    30d 19h 5m 34s
                                    

                                    The last reboot was following a power outage here. So they were not rebooting recently.

                                    There are two Archer APs here, one TP-Link AP and two Comfast APs. They do not appear to use OpenWRT but none have rebooted since the power outage. [We have solar power during the day, with commercial at night with Lithium battery backup for the loss of commercial. There was one night that the commercial was out for so long that the batteries failed. :-) Life in the third world.]

                                    The ISP provided as a Bridge (can be set as a router but not in my case) does use OpenWRT but it also didn't reboot and it is on the WAN side. (It's reboot takes about three minutes and the PPPoE session would have needed to be reset.)

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                                    • stephenw10S
                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                      Hmm, hard to imagine that MAC would exposed at any time other than at reboot. Unless some process was doing it deliberately, which seems very unlikely.

                                      Any of those devices using a Ralink SoC?

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                                        Ellis Michael Lieberman @stephenw10
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                                        @stephenw10

                                        No, none of them are using Ralink.

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                                          pfsss @stephenw10
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                                          @stephenw10
                                          my gateway gets down every time I using the Download at very fast speed. the behaviour is strange after gateway gets down, I cannot dial to connect to the ISP unless I reboot the device.

                                          gateway monitoring cannot be stopped, because my ISP changes my ip every few days. there should be a monitor to watch the change of gateways.

                                          I think ' tune the gateway monitoring' is better way. how to change the gateway monitoring in the web? thanks!

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                                          • stephenw10S
                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                            The latency and loss alarm values can be set in System > Routing > Gateways: Edit the gateway.

                                            If the ISP changes your IP that should force it to reconnect to update. That shouldn't require gateway monitoring.

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