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    Surfing to website in the subnet of another interface shows pfsense login page

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      Voxtra @michmoor
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      @michmoor
      When we browse to https://200.1.0.15 we end up seeing the https login page of the pfsense
      however, https://200.1.0.10 or any other https page in that LAN1 is reachable
      The only rule we have configured on the LAN3 interface is to allow all traffic to all networks.

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        michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @Voxtra
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        @Voxtra
        Show your NAT rules
        Show your state table when attempting to access it by going to Diagnostics > States > States

        Firewall: NetGate,Palo Alto-VM,Juniper SRX
        Routing: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
        Switching: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
        Wireless: Unifi, Aruba IAP
        JNCIP,CCNP Enterprise

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          Gertjan @Voxtra
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          @Voxtra said in Surfing to website in the subnet of another interface shows pfsense login page:

          we have a pfsense with 3 physical interfaces for internal networks:
          LAN1: 200.1.0.0/24
          LAN2: 10.20.15.0/24
          LAN3: 10.0.0.0/16

          Ok for LAN 2 and 3, but with LAN 1, something seems very wrong here.
          You are, or you own :

          root@ns311465:~# whois 200.1.0.15
          ....
          % Copyright LACNIC lacnic.net
          %  The data below is provided for information purposes
          %  and to assist persons in obtaining information about or
          %  related to AS and IP numbers registrations
          %  By submitting a whois query, you agree to use this data
          %  only for lawful purposes.
          %  2024-03-25 13:14:56 (-03 -03:00)
          
          inetnum:     200.1.0.0/22
          status:      allocated
          owner:       Corporacion Andina de Fomento.
          ownerid:     VE-CAFO-LACNIC
          address:     Av. Luis Roche, Torre Central\nPiso 7, Altamir\nCaracas
          country:     VE
          owner-c:     JL10-ARIN
          created:     19930513
          changed:     19930513
          source:      ARIN-HISTORIC
          

          That's already a big player, as you own 1024+ IPv4 on the net.
          Using one /24 network on your pfSense .... as a LAN (internal) network ? Are you sure ??

          No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
          Edit : and where are the logs ??

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            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Voxtra
            last edited by johnpoz

            @Voxtra said in Surfing to website in the subnet of another interface shows pfsense login page:

            When we browse to https://200.1.0.15 we end up seeing the https login page of the pfsense

            yeah that wouldn't happen unless pfsense IP was .15.. Are you access via the IP or via some fqdn? When devices on the same network talk to each other say .x talking to .y pfsense would not even be aware of the traffic unless your running on a bridge in pfsense? or one of pfsense IPs is .x or .y in that conversation.

            And with @Gertjan using public IP space on your internal network is not a very good idea.. Are you part of the Corporacion Andina de Fomento. I find highly unlikely even if you were that they would assign a /24 out of their /22 to your connection?

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              michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @johnpoz
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              @johnpoz
              Couldve been a network space he randomly selected as part of a test. Im guilty of using 1.1.1.0/30 on WAN links when labbing.
              Still its a directly connected interface so its routed to pfsense itself. Shouldnt be an issue.

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              Routing: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
              Switching: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
              Wireless: Unifi, Aruba IAP
              JNCIP,CCNP Enterprise

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                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @michmoor
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                @michmoor while technically you can use it, sure if you don't ever want to go to that space on the public.. But its really bad practice to get into.. Because as some point your going to use some public space locally that you actually want to get to.

                And it always brings up such questions when your posting asking for help ;)

                There is plenty of rfc1918 space to use, that you don't have to step on something your currently using..

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                  Voxtra @johnpoz
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                  @johnpoz
                  the pfsense is on IP addresses
                  200.1.0.250 in LAN1
                  10.20.15.254 in LAN2
                  10.0.0.254 in LAN3
                  there is no reference to 200.1.0.15 in the pfsense, except for NAT rules on the WAN that forward to this IP-address

                  Regarding the comments about using the 200.1.0.0/24 range -> that is why we've created the LAN3 on 10.0.0.0/16.
                  Our customer had this 200-range when we took over their setup. We are now moving everything step by step to the 10.0.0.0-range, so we can get rid of the 200-range. But during this process, everything should keep working.

                  Main problem is still that I can't get to route from one subnet/interface to one IP-address on the other interface.
                  The other subnet LAN2 routes perfectly.
                  And from the LAN3 subnet, I can also get to other websites in the LAN1 subnet. It's just that one website that won't work. It's not DNS as it pings 200.1.0.15 ok. But when browsing to this IP, how is it possible that I get the pfsenses login page?

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                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Voxtra
                    last edited by johnpoz

                    @Voxtra it shouldn't be possible it really shouldn't.. Just because you can ping, doesn't really mean anything.

                    So your on a device in the 200.x network - ping this 200.1.0.15 address now look in your arp table.. What does it show for that IP.. Is it a pfsense mac? If not pfsense is not invovled in the conversation in any way.

                    Maybe the client thinks this .15 address is not actually on its local network.. What Is the mask on the client your trying to access the 200.1.0.15 address from

                    And good to hear about migration away from the 200.x network - very valid reason to currently have it setup.. thanks for keeping my curiosity kat happy ;)

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                      Voxtra @johnpoz
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                      @johnpoz
                      the mac of 200.1.0.15 start with 00:50:56 which is VMWare. This is correct, it is a virtual machine.
                      the client from which I'm trying to browse to 200.1.0.15 has IP address 10.0.0.2, subnet mask 255.255.0.0, gateway 10.0.0.254
                      I just don't get why I can ping it, but browsing to it gets redirected...

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                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Voxtra
                        last edited by johnpoz

                        @Voxtra oh so your accessing this IP from a different network.. I thought you were on some box in 200.x and trying to access 200.1.0.15 and getting pfsense login..

                        And you have no port forwards setup? No policy routing via gateway set in you rules on this 10.0 psense interface? What are you outbound nats?

                        Your saying you can access fine from your other 10.20 network, not just this 10.0 network.. And it works fine as well from device on the 200.x network.

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                          Voxtra @johnpoz
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                            Voxtra @johnpoz
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                            @johnpoz
                            oh so your accessing this IP from a different network.. I thought you were on some box in 200.x and trying to access 200.1.0.15 and getting pfsense login..

                            correct, that is the issue
                            And you have no port forwards setup?
                            only from WAN to LAN1, not from LAN2 to LAN3 and also not from LAN2 to LAN3
                            No policy routing via gateway set in you rules on this 10.0 psense interface?
                            No
                            What are you outbound nats?
                            None, only the automatically created rules
                            Your saying you can access fine from your other 10.20 network, not just this 10.0 network.. And it works fine as well from device on the 200.x network.
                            that is correct

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                              Voxtra @Voxtra
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                              Just wanted to let you all know that we've made a workaround, since it was urgent and could not easily be solved. Thanks for your help!

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