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    IPSec issues on 24.03 - sessions dropping

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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
      last edited by

      It's in System > Advanced > Firewall&NAT: Firewall State Policy.

      That's the global setting. Setting it to floating goes back to the same behaviour as 23.09.1.

      If that works you can also set that per rule so you add them to allow the IPSec and set the global value back to interface-bound.

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      • jimpJ
        jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
        last edited by

        There are specific recommendations for VTI in the docs that cover this as well:

        https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/config/advanced-firewall-nat.html#interface-bound-states

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        • maverickwsM
          maverickws
          last edited by

          Hi and thank you all for the information and support.

          I have some follow-up questions, given the State Policy changes and traffic interface bound, but not getting exactly why is it impacting my traffic?

          What would I put in the rule to have it fixed on Interface Bound mode?
          (I am unable to test right now only in a few hours to put it back on 24.03 and change the State Policy option to see if it fixes the issue.

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          • jimpJ
            jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate @maverickws
            last edited by

            @maverickws said in IPSec issues on 24.03 - sessions dropping:

            I have some follow-up questions, given the State Policy changes and traffic interface bound, but not getting exactly why is it impacting my traffic?

            It's explained in detail in the link I posted in the section about VTI.

            What would I put in the rule to have it fixed on Interface Bound mode?

            I just updated the docs with better info about the per-rule workaround, it'll be up in ~10 minutes once the build finishes.

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              michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @jimp
              last edited by michmoor

              @jimp
              Question Jim. Because this bit me and a few others would it be reasonable to make an exception for IPsec traffic flows and a note in the webUI or documentation about this and to change at the admins own risk?
              So the IPsec interfaces with VTI get the floating policy state change only.

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              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                last edited by stephenw10

                The ideal solution here is to fix the IPSec pfil handling so traffic is filtered on the same interfaces in and out as expected. We are looking at that (again) but the work there is non-trivial!

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                • jimpJ
                  jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                  last edited by

                  If fixing the OS level issues doesn't work out we might consider an option for automatically handling the floating policy rules for VTI but we're hoping to avoid that if possible.

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                  • maverickwsM
                    maverickws
                    last edited by

                    Hi all,

                    So from my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong, if I would maintain the option for Interface Bound, I would add a rule to the Floating rules on the IPsec interface as described in Rules with Floating Policy Set ?

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                      last edited by

                      Yes exactly.

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                      • maverickwsM
                        maverickws @stephenw10
                        last edited by

                        perfect thank you I will test today and tell how it goes.

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                        • maverickwsM
                          maverickws
                          last edited by

                          Ok so I was able to reboot the router and booted into 24.03

                          I've added the rule as described to the IPsec interface on the floating rules, put it on top of any other IPsec rules and so far my connections seem to be stable, been testing for over 5 minutes both terminal and RDP.

                          Next week I'll be able to test further. Have a nice weekend you all

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                            danjeman @maverickws
                            last edited by

                            @maverickws I had this issue today... looks like adding advanced rule options for floating states on the ipsec rules and a floating outbound one too as per the docs does the trick ๐Ÿ‘

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                            • maverickwsM
                              maverickws @danjeman
                              last edited by

                              @danjeman howdy.
                              I only added one floating rule, what you mean by two rules?

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                              • stephenw10S
                                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                last edited by

                                If you need to create connections across the tunnel in both directions you need a floating outbound rule with floating state binding set to allow the replies. It's shown in the doc there now.
                                https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/config/advanced-firewall-nat.html#interface-bound-states

                                So you might only add one floating rule and edit the existing IPSec rule. Two rules are needed if none existed.

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