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    • N
      Nimizu
      last edited by Nimizu

      effectively, pfSense is connected directly to the upstream router via a switch which delivers the DHCP address via ethernet cable.

      I could have an address of this router via WIFI but when I do the pping I disconnect from this WIFI and only leave the connection via ethernet.

      Here is my ipconfig of the client connected on the LAN. I only have this interface connected:

      d469e9a9-6507-4581-8a2c-337586041959-image.png

      when I do a traceroute of 8.8.8.8 :

      3be0ff6c-8a4c-4b24-a44d-21003879ba88-image.png

      and when I do a traceroute of my other client's IP I get this :

      e7667b0c-9744-4288-be66-5acd5fc8cd3b-image.png

      and of course no ping marked in States

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Nimizu
        last edited by johnpoz

        @Nimizu said in communication between vlan:

        and of course no ping marked in States

        the icmp states wont be there long.. get a constant ping going

        ping ipaddres -t

        is windows way to do it..

        Now while that ping is running look in your states..

        You sure you have firewall running? The only way I could see that working is if firewall is off, but that would disable nat, these clients have internet access while like that, or only if you enable wifi on them? But if you were using pfsense as router only.. It wouldn't be showing you the states for the pings you showed either.

        The only other way it could work with firewall off is if your upstream device was natting downstream networks.

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        • N
          Nimizu
          last edited by

          I don't have a NAT rule to configure and yes my firewall is activated. I tried pinging 192.168.102.102 -t but no apparent change.

          For the LAN, internet access was automatic but for the WIFI vlan I had to put rules in place to have internet access

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          • stephenw10S
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
            last edited by

            Where 192.168.102.1 is the pfSense interface in that VLAN?

            If you just ping that directly do you see a state opened for it?

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            • johnpozJ
              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Nimizu
              last edited by

              @Nimizu well if there are no states being created, there would be no way to block the traffic with a firewall rule.. Because how the firewall blocks the traffic is prevention of a state being created.

              So your client on lan or opt can ping 8.8.8.8 - and you see no states with that either?

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              • N
                Nimizu
                last edited by

                the 192.168.102.1 interface is the gateway for port 2 which corresponds to my LAN.

                I tried to ping 8.8.8.8 with the pfsense tool using the LAN interface as the source. But no open state.

                All my firewall rules are Pass and not Block or Reject.

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @Nimizu
                  last edited by

                  @Nimizu said in communication between vlan:

                  I tried to ping 8.8.8.8 with the pfsense tool using the LAN interface as the source. But no open state.

                  Hmm, you should definitely see a state for that. As long as you are looking whilst the ping is running because the ICMP states expire quickly as johnpoz said.

                  Try running it from the pfSense command line: ping -S 192.168.102.1 8.8.8.8

                  Then check for a state in the gui.

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                  • N
                    Nimizu
                    last edited by

                    @stephenw10 said in communication between vlan:

                    ping -S 192.168.102.1 8.8.8.8

                    I tried, but again the same result.

                    I pinged directly into the pfsense shell:

                    a3f36c53-d780-4495-9198-647067f8b0fb-image.png

                    mais je vois toujours uniquement ce résultat meme en regardant en meme temps que le ping :

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                      last edited by

                      Hmm, are you 100% sure that's the same firewall? There is almost no way to have it not open a state for that ping whilst also opening a state for the monitoring pings. You would have to set a rule to pass pings without opening a state. Which is possible but pretty advanced!

                      Unless that state view is filtered?

                      You should see like:

                      [24.08-DEVELOPMENT][admin@6100.stevew.lan]/root: ping 1.1.1.1
                      PING 1.1.1.1 (1.1.1.1): 56 data bytes
                      64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=56 time=25.121 ms
                      64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=5.349 ms
                      64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=56 time=5.644 ms
                      64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=56 time=5.487 ms
                      64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=56 time=6.221 ms
                      
                      [24.08-DEVELOPMENT][admin@6100.stevew.lan]/root: pfctl -vss | grep -A 1 1.1.1.1:
                      ix3 icmp 172.21.16.246:64122 -> 1.1.1.1:8       0:0
                         age 00:00:58, expires in 00:00:10, 59:59 pkts, 4956:4956 bytes, rule 119, allow-opts
                      
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                      • N
                        Nimizu
                        last edited by

                        yes I am indeed on the same firewall.

                        I tried to do what you just did and I got this result :

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                          last edited by

                          Ok, good. You should see that in the gui also if it's not filtered.

                          You should also see states for pings between VLANs with the correct filtering.

                          If not try that at the command line too.

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                          • N
                            Nimizu
                            last edited by

                            yes indeed on the graphical interface I see this clearly but as I showed you this is what is there on the graphical interface and which corresponds to the result that I sent previously.

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                            I receive dozens of packets every second in this state even though no ping is in progress

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                            • johnpozJ
                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Nimizu
                              last edited by

                              @Nimizu said in communication between vlan:

                              I receive dozens of packets every second in this state even though no ping is in progress

                              Again you are not receiving those, that is the monitoring that pfsense does where it send 1 ping every half second. You must of setup your monitoring to use 8.8.8.8 vs your actual default gateway.. You can clearly see the destination is 8.8.8.8 so its the dpinger service doing its monitoring.

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                              • stephenw10S
                                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                last edited by

                                Start a ping from some client on one of the internal VLANs to 1.1.1.1.

                                Then look for the states created in the GUI and at the CLI like you just did.

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                                • N
                                  Nimizu
                                  last edited by

                                  @johnpoz
                                  Yes i uderstand.

                                  @stephenw10

                                  I just took the test and got this result :

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                                  • johnpozJ
                                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Nimizu
                                    last edited by johnpoz

                                    @Nimizu so something wrong with the gui not showing the states.. But something odd.. is looks like that output shows ALL for the interface?

                                    Which maybe explains why gui not showing them???

                                    interface.jpg

                                    Notice mine shows igb0 and igb1 my lan and wan interfaces.. Not sure why your output shows all vs some specific interface.

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                                    • stephenw10S
                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                      last edited by stephenw10

                                      Because 24.03 switched (back) to interface bound states as default. In 2.7.2 and 23.09 states are floating on 'all' interfaces. So that looks correct.

                                      You should see those states in the GUI if you filter that by 1.1.1.1 also.

                                      That traffic is passing through the firewall and should be blockable.

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                                      • N
                                        Nimizu
                                        last edited by Nimizu

                                        let's go. I finally see on the GUI.

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                                        I now tried to ping a client that is in another vlan and I got this result:

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                                        So I tried to make the blocking rules and when I do the following rule this blocks the ping :

                                        9e32d05e-7152-49cd-953d-e0944125b0f2-image.png

                                        thank you very much for your help but I don't understand everything because I just reactivated the rules that I had already made and now it works and before it didn't work.

                                        But the importance and that now it works. THANKS

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                                        • johnpozJ
                                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Nimizu
                                          last edited by

                                          @Nimizu think we went down a deep rabbit whole there on the states not being in the gui.. You were filtering?

                                          Once a state is created the state allows, so if you test something and then try to block it - you have to make sure you either kill that state or wait for it to timeout or close on its own. Before your rule will work.

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                                          • stephenw10S
                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                            last edited by

                                            Mmm, I'm not sure what happened there. It seems like either the traffic was bypassing the firewall entirely and now isn't for some reason. Or we were just not looking correctly.

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