Port Forwarding not honered for .well-known/acme-challenge

viragomann

@jgrabner
Glade that your acme is working now.

Gertjan

@jgrabner said in Port Forwarding not honered for .well-known/acme-challenge:

Here is the log from pfsense

Oct 12 19:00:51 nginx 2024/10/12 19:00:51 [error] 74022#100800: *23216 open() "/usr/local/www/.well-known/acme-challenge/1A9j2r1QaH4qQ8igoBlYEde3YC8_TgorjDIUJIb9bC8" failed (2: No such file or directory), client: 192.168.10.12, server: , request: "GET /.well-known/acme-challenge/1A9j2r1QaH4qQ8igoBlYEde3YC8_TgorjDIUJIb9bC8 HTTP/1.1", host: "ancient-script.org", referrer: "http://ancient-script.org/.well-known/acme-challenge/1A9j2r1QaH4qQ8igoBlYEde3YC8_TgorjDIUJIb9bC8"

This does not reach my server.

Read the log line again.
It, nginx ! (your web server !) says :
Error on opening a file. This file :

/usr/local/www/.well-known/acme-challenge/1A9j2r1QaH4qQ8igoBlYEde3YC8_TgorjDIUJIb9bC8

It is close to impossible that some random visitor was visiting your web server, and asking for the folders in folder ".well-known/acme-challenge" (but this can happen) and asking for a very specific file name "1A9j2r1QaH4qQ8igoBlYEde3YC8_TgorjDIUJIb9bC8" and now I'm ready to bet that this veryb that file name was given by Lets-encrypt to the acme;sh script so it creates a file with that name.
And in the file a random text should be placed, as given to the acme.sh by Lets-encrypt.

No more talks, congrats, Lets-encrypt did reach out to your web server and was asking for the challenge file, to get the challenge code (the content of the file).

But the file wasn't there.

The thing is : your acme.sh isn't set up correctly, as it did not create the file with the name "1A9j2r1QaH4qQ8igoBlYEde3YC8_TgorjDIUJIb9bC8" in the root folder of the web server, in the folder/folder (with the also special content).

Its time to have a look at the very detailed acme.sh log file.
It told you were it was : /tmp/acme/YOUR-ACCOUNT-NAME/acme_issuecert.log

stephenw10

That log is from the pfSense nginx instance it uses for the webgui. The request was hitting that because it was coming from the LAN and without NAT reflection that does not hit the port forward.

Gertjan

@stephenw10

That request came from LAN ?
Such a request would be initiated from Letsencrypt, as that's the file it want to 'see'.
Omg ... it was written :

Here is the log from pfsense

The needed NAT rule :

and from now on, everything that comes into the WAN using port 80 will get redirected to 192.168.10.12 port 30080.

jgrabner

I was not expecting the cert-manager to do a local, from the LAN, validation of the reachability of the .well-known/acme-challenge/1A9j2r1QaH4qQ8igoBlYEde3YC8_TgorjDIUJIb9bC8 path before telling the let's encrypt to do the real challenge from the internet server i.e. over the WAN. So when I saw this in the pfsense log, I assumed incorrectly PFsense was intercepting from the WAN the above for it's own use. I was in error.

NAT reflection made everything work.

kiokoman

@jgrabner
all fine and good, but now that you know that nat reflection works for you, you should consider setting up a split DNS instead if you can

https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/nat/reflection.html
NAT reflection is a hack as it loops traffic through the firewall when it is not necessary

A preferable alternative to NAT reflection is deploying a split DNS infrastructure

Gertjan

@kiokoman said in Port Forwarding not honered for .well-known/acme-challenge:

https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/nat/reflection.html
NAT reflection is a hack as it loops traffic through the firewall when it is not necessary

I've an example that shows why NAT refection is 'strange' :

@jgrabner

You work for a company, the sales department. You just received a big order, and you want to contact the shipping department to check if they have enough stock.
In your company, internal phone numbers 310 to 320 are the sales numbers, 350 to 360 are the phones of shipping department.
Suzanne is holding the front desk, and she answers all the incoming calls from all the clients and everybody else out there, when calling your company.

Let's say : 310->320 and 350->360 are your LANs.
Suzanne is your pfSense.

So, what do you do ?
Do you really call 1-123-456-7890 ? (and thus you will have Suzanne answering, an you have to ask here to put shipping through ? )
Or do you call 'shipping' directly by dialing for example 350 ?

If you persist on doing the first option, Suzanne will have a talk with you, explaining you doing it wrong (again). That your methods are maybe not hacky, bit still wrong.

viragomann

@kiokoman said in Port Forwarding not honered for .well-known/acme-challenge:

you should consider setting up a split DNS instead if you can

You can not. Since you're doing port translation, you need the NAT rule on pfSense.

However , I'm wondering why your server use non-default ports fot HTTP/S.
With default ports you could go with local host overrides and get rid of NAT reflection.

jgrabner

@viragomann

Reason for non-standard ports on server:

my webserver is a set of pods in kubernetes. I am using microk8s implementation. While it supports hostPort on ingres (le lets me use port 80 and 443), it is highly discouraged in documentation. Documentation recomends nodePort configuration (ie 30000-). The only reason i could figure is that using hostPort would limit kubernetes to one webserver and kubernetes is designed for scale.
somewhere i read it was less secure to use 80, ie target of more hacking if someone got access to your lan. I suppose this only applies to lower skill hackers.

kiokoman

@viragomann said in Port Forwarding not honered for .well-known/acme-challenge:

@kiokoman said in Port Forwarding not honered for .well-known/acme-challenge:

you should consider setting up a split DNS instead if you can

You can not. Since you're doing port translation, you need the NAT rule on pfSense.

However , I'm wondering why your server use non-default ports fot HTTP/S.
With default ports you could go with local host overrides and get rid of NAT reflection.

you can use haproxy in this scenario listening on wan and lan instead of opening ports/creating a nats for each pod in Kubernetes, well if you have a couple of pods it doesn't really matter but since I have 50 services running in test / 50 in staging / 50 in production on Kubernetes behind pfsense it would be unmanageable without haproxy for me