Delegate IPv6 subnet to only specific MAC addresses
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Tenants aren't asking. I'm not particularly concerned about them. But it would be nice.
I did discover a handful of things not working properly when we enabled IPv6 via Hurricane Electric so that would be nice to know that. Unfortunately at least here we found HE throttles the speed, I think it was to around 35 Mbps download. And there are sites that don't work because of video rights or whatever since they consider HE like a VPN and block access. I mean, it's free, so... We still have HE enabled but it's a better experience telling my browser to prefer IPv4.
We do get a /56 as noted. I just need to ensure someone can't plug in a router and get free Internet.
Is the answer to not try to do anything automatically, and just use two /64s from our /56 to set up IPv6 manually? (for the building router LAN, our office router LAN) That would work for us I suppose but the goal for the tenants was hands-off router config.
And no I don't know how often the /56 changes, it's been 1.5 days since they replaced their router.
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@SteveITS I know Plus has some MAC-Filtering-Features, maybe you can achieve something with that. Going with the DHCPv6 Server doesn't make much sense because most clients (people) will expect more than one address, so SLAAC. Now if you are in control of all the routers, you can block or not allow IPv6 for subnets, so I would use that (if you have VLANs etc). But it sounds like maybe you don't?
Technically you would use the DHCPv6 Server for Prefix Delegation though. At least I guess, never done it. Also this has to be supported by the router from comcast in the first place. -
@Bob-Dig I keep forgetting about the Ethernet rules, despite using it this year for my son's school Chromebook...they have no controls on it in 6th grade.
In a quick look we can allow/block IPv6 by MAC, so maybe. So that would be to allow everyone to get an IP, but only allow known MACs to pass IPv6 traffic.
So, on building router LAN, Track Interface, configure a Prefix Delegation Pool, and let it rip?
Or else the manual approach of configuring a static IPv6 for the "building LAN" and assigning a /64 to our LAN. Then we would have to manually config each tenant router, if they ever wanted IPv6.
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I believe with some switches, such as from Cisco, you can assign a device to a specific LAN/VLAN according to the MAC supplier, not individual MACs. This would be typically be used with VoIP phones and computers sharing a connection to the switch. I don't think pfSense can do that.
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@JKnott I did not know that, however, I don't think that helps me much...maybe we could assume we have the only Netgate router but the MAC I think is generic.
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@JKnott said in Delegate IPv6 subnet to only specific MAC addresses:
you can assign a device to a specific LAN/VLAN according to the MAC supplier
You could do this with freerad more than likely.. radius can be used to assign vlan related to auth.. But not sure how that would come into play in this scenario..
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hmmm
https://business.comcast.com/support/article/internet/comcast-business-internet-learn-about-ipv6
"To date, Comcast has launched dynamic and static IPv6 support for all Business Internet customers. The static IPv6 addresses are included in any IPv4 lease and those addresses can all be found by logging in to My Account. Static IPv6 is also supported and available for Ethernet Dedicated Internet customers."So our /56 is static per their page.
[edit: which I found out because I'm there because it went down
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@SteveITS With static IPv6 it is way more easy and reliable with pfSense (not with the ISP though
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Now their wording is interesting, it sounds they would do both for business customers (at the same time?). -
@Bob-Dig Yes, it specifically says static if you view your IP ranges:
I am not sure we have a client with a dynamic WAN IP for which we also have the Comcast account credentials to log in and look directly, so unclear if this is only for accounts with static IPv4. But it doesn't say so.
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So if we let IPv6 auto assign to tenant routers, at what point could the subnet assigned to a tenant router change? Obviously if they replace it, but outside of that...?
I'm thinking this might work:
- set building router to hand out IPv6 blocks
- create firewall rule on LAN to only allow IPv6 from known MAC addresses (one rule per MAC)
- create a firewall rule on LAN to assign each subnet to the correct limiter
It's a bunch of extra steps though.
In pfSense how do I find out the subnet a given tenant router is using? Can I connect the Status/DHCPv6 Leases, Delegated Prefixes info to the known MAC?
Option 2 is we set it up for us and wait until someone asks for IPv6. :)
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Just to follow up, I set it up for us, with static IPv6. It took me longer than I'd care to admit to add firewall rules to allow IPv6 ICMP since we'd never set up IPv6 rules on the building router.
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@SteveITS Never done it with pfSense but with my first router (fritzbox) towards my pfSense. It says something like this: Allow Ping6, open firewall for the delegated prefix, make this host the exposed host.
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@Bob-Dig I realized my comment might be unclear so I came back to edit it but you beat me… IPv6 was allowed on the inner router due to the HE tunnel but it had never been allowed outbound on the building/outer router LAN interface since that wasn’t necessary (due to the tunneling).
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I'm back again. After our Comcast router restarted last night we lost IPv6 to the inner subnet. I am pretty sure it lost the route back. However the Comcast router only allows me to configure an IPv4 static route. Thinking back, possibly it had set up the route while I was experimenting with the various delegation/DHCP settings, and lost it upon restart. Boo.
So I started all over, and set it up using Track Interface and prefix delegation, with the building router DHCPv6 Server set with "Deny Unknown Clients" to allow only known clients. I had to allow any temporarily just to find the DUID of our router.
By the time I got back to set it to allow only known clients again, the building router had allocated another IP and prefix. However, it added a route to this other prefix and would not add a route for our office router prefix. So eventually I gave up and added a static route in our building router, pointing the subnet that had been delegated to our office router, to our office router.
So overall it looks like it should have worked with "deny unknown clients" except there was no route created from the outer pfSense to the inner pfSense, like there was for other routers in the building. ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
Side note: the "Start DHCP6 client in debug mode" option seen referenced on this forum several places does not seem to exist on either of these routers' WAN interface settings? I thought I'd enabled that before, was that removed? Is there a trick to displaying that?
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@SteveITS said in Delegate IPv6 subnet to only specific MAC addresses:
Side note: the "Start DHCP6 client in debug mode"
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@Gertjan D'oh! I knew I had seen it, thanks.
Unfortunately this was broken twice this morning.
- my static route was no longer in the routing table
- DHCPv6 started handing out IPs again despite being set to allow only known clients.
In limited testing it looks like the problems were:
- DHCPv6 Server does not add a route for delegated prefixes to reserved IPs
- if I restart DHCPv6 Server, my static route is removed from the routing table
- I had to edit and save the route, to get it to work again
I kept banging on it. I set Router Advertisement to Managed so clients couldn't get an IP. However RA is still advertising prefixes to other routers, they are just failing.
At some point I re-saved the office router WAN interface and now that Delegated Prefix shows on the DHCPv6 Leases page. So maybe it was in some weird limbo state from above? I didn't try deleting the static route yet since we're into the workday.
However DHCPv6 Leases still shows leases and prefixes for other routers. Does it just not honor the "Deny Unknown Clients" setting?
Confused about the path forward, do I need to turn off DHCPv6 Server on the building router, and use a static route?
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...and the route is gone again, don't know why.
Edit: Seems like all the DHCPv6 Server settings are ignored?
https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/services/dhcp/ipv6.html"The DHCPv6 daemon can only run and be configured on interfaces with a Static IP address, so if a tab for an interface is not present, check that it is enabled and set with a Static IP. It is not currently possible to adjust settings for tracked interface DHCP service."
I suppose one could read that as "shouldn't be visible" vs "we'll ignore everything". It does seem to be using the configured address pool though.
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@SteveITS If you have static IPv6, use it. If it is dynamic then don't. Latter one is not running that well in pfSense. For instance, I get a new prefix every night. I have to reboot my pfsense via cron afterwards to get it working well. But with static IPv6, I don't see that (only have HE).
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@Bob-Dig I can't really tell without going to the office and testing by booting the Comcast router, which kicks everyone off, but I think Comcast doesn't keep the routes after their router boots. They have a "static IPv6" /56 as they label it but it's handed out to their router automatically by them, and if I configure our pfSenses with all static then there isn't a way for me to configure a static route for the "self-delegated" IPV6, on the Comcast device. It only allows IPv4 routes.
Currently it's working with:
building WAN: DHCP6
building LAN: Track Interface
office WAN: static IPv6
office LAN: static IPv6
building router: needs static route for office LAN
building router: DHCPv6 Server off
building router: RA offI suspect when I was banging on it a month ago the Comcast router kept the route for the delegated prefix, until it booted. So having the building router Track Interface and request a /62 prefix hopefully will keep that route in the Comcast router. Guess I'll find out in the next few months if/when it restarts. And then the fix and that point is probably just to reacquire the building LAN IPv6.
Done automatically I expect it will all work just fine, the problem is we need control over how to hand out addresses.
There's also some sort of a bug I ran into again where if I add an IPv6 gateway on the WAN interface page, it flips the IPv4 gateway to Automatic and disconnects Internet (even though there's only one IPv4 gateway). But that's another story...
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@SteveITS said in Delegate IPv6 subnet to only specific MAC addresses:
Currently it's working with:
building WAN: DHCP6
building LAN: Track Interface
office WAN: static IPv6
office LAN: static IPv6
building router: needs static route for office LAN
building router: DHCPv6 Server off
building router: RA offFollowing up, when the Comcast router boots (3am so an ISP update I assume) our building pfSense router loses its static route. I tried restarting it this morning to try to recover, and, fun times, it decided to revert to a 23.09 boot environment, removing a bunch of settings. Super confusing but easily fixed once I figured it out. However after that it still didn't have the route. Re-saving the static route as-is didn't create it either.
Is there something in the code perhaps that doesn't/can't set up the route if the IP subnets are incorrect/inaccessible? Is there a good way to recover from that?
Per this post it sounds like maybe Kea is required for "deny unknown clients" to work correctly for IPv6, so that could be something I try down the road when it's stable/finished.
