Potential DNS Rebind attack detected on my local network

comet424

@johnpoz
so like when i orginally setup pfsense it worked out of the box

http://tardis pfsense redirects to 192.168.0.3 unraid server
http://pump:8123 pfsense would redirect to 192.168.0.10 home asstant server
if i pinged tardis
id get tardis 192.168.0.3
no tardis.hell.com

same with the cameras all i type in the address bar
camera1/
camera2/ and pfsense rediects it to 192.168.10.50 say
least thats how it used to work

so i ran your nslookup set debug
i changed the actual ip but left it startting as 69. and i changed my dyns to hell.com

C:\Users\mike>ipconfig /all

Windows IP Configuration

   Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Windows11-Gaming-Desktop
   Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . :
   Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
   IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
   WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
   DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : hell.com

Ethernet adapter 10Gig Nic:

   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : hell.com
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) 82599 10 Gigabit Network Connection
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 98-B7-85-1F-A0-B1
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
   Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::a570:4985:f868:8d21%12(Preferred)
   IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.151(Preferred)
   Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
   Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Friday, November 15, 2024 5:54:28 PM
   Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, November 22, 2024 12:17:08 PM
   Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
   DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
   DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 714651525
   DHCPv6 Client DUID. . . . . . . . : 00-01-00-01-2D-34-A3-5E-C8-7F-54-55-89-B8
   DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
   NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

C:\Users\mike>nslookup
Default Server:  pfSense.hell.com
Address:  192.168.0.1

> tardis
Server:  pfSense.hell.com
Address:  192.168.0.1

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    hell.com
Address:  69.x.x.x
Aliases:  tardis.hell.com

> set debug
> tardis
Server:  pfSense.hell.com
Address:  192.168.0.1

------------
Got answer:
    HEADER:
        opcode = QUERY, id = 4, rcode = NOERROR
        header flags:  response, want recursion, recursion avail.
        questions = 1,  answers = 2,  authority records = 0,  additional = 0

    QUESTIONS:
        tardis.hell.com, type = A, class = IN
    ANSWERS:
    ->  tardis.hell.com
        canonical name = hell.com
        ttl = 49 (49 secs)
    ->  hell.com
        internet address = 69.x.x.x
        ttl = 49 (49 secs)

------------
Non-authoritative answer:
------------
Got answer:
    HEADER:
        opcode = QUERY, id = 5, rcode = NOERROR
        header flags:  response, want recursion, recursion avail.
        questions = 1,  answers = 1,  authority records = 1,  additional = 0

    QUESTIONS:
        tardis.hell.com, type = AAAA, class = IN
    ANSWERS:
    ->  tardis.hell.com
        canonical name = hell.com
        ttl = 49 (49 secs)
    AUTHORITY RECORDS:
    ->  mine.nu
        ttl = 1789 (29 mins 49 secs)
        primary name server = ns1.dyndns.org
        responsible mail addr = hostmaster.dyndns.org
        serial  = 2525007979
        refresh = 900 (15 mins)
        retry   = 300 (5 mins)
        expire  = 604800 (7 days)
        default TTL = 1800 (30 mins)

------------
Name:    hell.com
Address:  69.x.x.x
Aliases:  tardis.hell.com

as for FQDN? i have no idea just simple home user

comet424

here is my lan rules and my dns resolver

comet424

and here is my nat rules

if that helps at all

comet424

there was a couple ways people setup PIA VPN so reason i have wan and pia toronto ::1/128 and all those whatever they all mean
and another video didnt

so i not sure if that has anything to do with it etc

johnpoz

@comet424 not sure where your getting your dns from, but hell.com does not return a 69.x here

hell.com.               3600    IN      A       15.
hell.com.               3600    IN      A       3.

And tardis.hell.com doesn't even resolve on the public internet.. So not sure where your getting 69.x from? and a 69.x would not be a rebind anyway. A rebind is when unbound forwards to anywhere or resolves itself, ie its not a local resource that gets sent in the answer and that answer contains rfc1918 address space. If 69.x is returned that would not be a rebind.

stephenw10

You can see the windows client has hell.com set as the search suffix. That means when you try to resolve 'tardis' it actually queries for tardis.hell.com to make a valid fqdn.

If you add host overrides to Unbound via the GUI you have to set the domain so they would be valid but in your custom Unbound conf settings you have omitted the domain so it doesn't match.

comet424

@johnpoz i mentioned that i changed my actual dynns name to hell.com and i changed my actaual WAN IP to 69.x.x.x replacing the actual numbers with x

as was easier to do Find and Replace then screen shot and black out the actual dns name
as i learned your supposed to block it out thats why i mentioned i actually changed it... guess i should said i changed it for display purpose only my bad for miss representing

@stephenw10
1
so why does windows get the hell.com (display purpose only) in the serach suffix

would the original pfsense setup be search suffix "workgroup" or
how would i remove the search suffix wouldnt that solve the problem bring it back to default thats how it always worked?

2
so if i do the unbound thats the dns resolver.. the custom and would you type it then

server:
local-zone: "pump.hell.com" redirect
local-data: "pump.hell.com 86400 IN A 192.168.0.10"

and when do you use
server:
private-domain: "tardis"
private-domain: "pump"

so do you have to type it
server:
private-domain: "tardis.hell.com"
private-domain: "pump.hell.com"

but this woulld get to be a long list.. if everytime you add a new device to the home network you gotta add it to the custom override. and if the ip address changes then it wont work...

the best route be removing the search suffix but how did it get in there in the first place... is there a check box in pfsense that set it... like the
DNS Server Override Allow DNS server list to be overridden by DHCP/PPP on WAN or remote OpenVPN server

would that solve it.. as i dont need my local computers with with .hell.com on the end of it just a home setup not a big company with servers

and if i can remove the search suffix will it bring it back to default how it worked originally that im used to?

comet424

under dhcp server i looked at lan
i blacked out the blank doman location

if i just put a spacebar to remove the default will that fix that
i just dont know how i caused it to have this problem a simple check box?
when i transitioned from NordVPN to PIA VPN?

comet424

ok i think i fixed it

i googled domain name of pfsense
i changed it back to "localdomain"
i guess when i did a new pfsense setup and it asked about domain name i used what i had in my dyndns updater...

its back to working i can ping
tardis
and go to
http://tardis

and it goes to 192.168.0.3
wish i was more smarter at this stuff

@johnpoz @stephenw10
i apperciate your both helps.. without your help i wouldnt have tried changing domain name to localdomain as it was frustrating with your help i figured it out i really appreciate it

johnpoz

@comet424 that really should have zero to do with it..

but now when you ping tardis, does it comeback tardis.localdomain? does it comeback without a domain? If so then dns was was not used. And your client used some other method to find tardis, be it mdns, or just a broadcast, etc.

Do you have registration of dhcp clients set in unbound? Are you using isc or kea dhcp server?

comet424

@johnpoz
when i ping it no i dont get localdomain i get

C:\Users\mike>ping tardis

Pinging tardis [192.168.0.3] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.0.3: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.3: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.3: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.3: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.0.3:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

C:\Users\mike>ipconfig /all

Windows IP Configuration

   Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Windows11-Gaming-Desktop
   Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . :
   Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
   IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
   WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
   DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : localdomain

Ethernet adapter 10Gig Nic:

   Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : localdomain
   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) 82599 10 Gigabit Network Connection
   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 98-B7-85-1F-A0-B1
   DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
   Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::a570:4985:f868:8d21%12(Preferred)
   IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.151(Preferred)
   Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
   Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Friday, November 22, 2024 11:16:38 AM
   Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, November 22, 2024 1:16:37 PM
   Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
   DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
   DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 714651525
   DHCPv6 Client DUID. . . . . . . . : 00-01-00-01-2D-34-A3-5E-C8-7F-54-55-89-B8
   DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
   NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

C:\Users\mike>

the way it originally worked

im using kea dhcp as i learned pfsense said the other is depreciating
i dont know what isc unless thats the old dhcp and no dhcp clients in the custom override if thats what u mean by unbound

although i set in dhcp server lan i static set tardis to be 192.168.0.3

comet424

and if that solves my issue i was having and i use dyndns for my domain name
by changing domain to localdomain under general

just curiousity when do you use domain under general to be like the hell.com as display pupose example
is that for when you have a big company... or something as i always trying to learn stuff new everyday so curious when and when you dont use that

johnpoz

@comet424 not sure why anyone would use an actual public domain in pfsense. Unless you were using that internally - but that normally is idea that comes with many issues.

now if you owned hell.com and used hell.net internally where hell.net did not resolve on the public internet that would be one thing. But trying to leverage public domain externally and internally at the same time runs into problems. And is not really a suggested setup.

The 2 approved domains to use internally these days is home.arpa and .internal

I would suggest you use one of those..

Kea is not as yet at feature parity with isc (older dhcp server).. And it is missing features.. I would not suggest you use it currently unless you have the most basic requirements of a dhcp server. There are some good strides to bring it to parity with isc in the 24.11 release..

Since tardis did not come back fq in your ping - that really points to just windows finding it with some other method where dns isn't even involved.

comet424

@johnpoz
ok i changed localdomain to home.arpa

as for dhcp settings all i set is
192.168.0.50-254 as range
dns 192.168.0.1
gateway 192.168.0.1 and i do the same for my vlans
so dns 192.168.10.1 and gateway for cameras and so on
so if thats basic then ya i set my up basic

and ubuntu and my other unraid boxes can now ping tardis and get the same results
no domain name added... do they use other methods then too

always learning something new everyday.. and the 24.11 release is that pfsense being released this month i know i had issues when i had 2.7.1 it didnt even know there was an update and when i transitioned to 2.7.2 there was a bunch of glitches in the config file and such that... so i manually re set up everything so entering in all manually so its glitch free.. so hope next upgrade no issues

johnpoz

@comet424 have no idea what your doing on your linux boxes.. But if the name was discovered via DNS, then it should come back fq

root@UC:/home/user# ping nas
PING nas.home.arpa (192.168.9.10) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from nas.home.arpa (192.168.9.10): icmp_seq=1 ttl=63 time=1.37 ms
64 bytes from nas.home.arpa (192.168.9.10): icmp_seq=2 ttl=63 time=0.731 ms
64 bytes from nas.home.arpa (192.168.9.10): icmp_seq=3 ttl=63 time=0.489 ms

that is a linux box on my network. See I ping nas and it comes back nas.home.arpa - do you have host file on your linux box?

My resolv.conf on my linux box has search set for home.arpa

nameserver 127.0.0.53
options edns0 trust-ad
search home.arpa

comet424

@johnpoz
apparently i spoke too soon.. i had to reboot my unraid.. my other unraid can ping tardis thats rambo... but the ubuntu desktop it cant ping now
pinging from unraid to tardis

root@Rambo:~# ping tardis
PING tardis (192.168.0.3) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from Tardis.local (192.168.0.3): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.267 ms
64 bytes from Tardis.local (192.168.0.3): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.227 ms
64 bytes from Tardis.local (192.168.0.3): icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.313 ms
64 bytes from Tardis.local (192.168.0.3): icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.391 ms
64 bytes from Tardis.local (192.168.0.3): icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.285 ms
^C
--- tardis ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4089ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.227/0.296/0.391/0.054 ms

pinging from ubuntu to tardis
cant ping.png

so i spoke too soon that everything working

stephenw10

It looks like you made it work by removing the search domain from the client so it really is trying to resolve just 'tardis'. But some (many?) devices won't allow that.

You should send the local domain via DHCP and then set the host overides using that domain.

In Ubuntu you may need to flash the local resolver cache: sudo resolvectl flush-caches

comet424

@stephenw10 ah ok so i set the dhcp server domain i put in home.arpa
and i rebooted the ubuntu desktop but still up able to ping tardis
i can ping www.google.ca that has no problem it cant ping locally

so you mean many devices wont allow you to ping tardis or like ping camera10
as example or all my ESP32 devices that run esphome

as for the host override... how do i blank host override to add domain and covers everything on the network.. as so far i only learned you can do like 1 ip address at a time

and i read about split dns and 1:1 nat but all i remember is when i defaulted a clean pfsense i could ping ubuntu and stuff but now where i added vpn and the 1::128 and all those other nats i also wondered if those conflict?

but so far i can ping from
raspberry pi
unraid
windows
pfsense

but i cant seem to ping from any of my ubuntu vms

and i thought if i set dns 192.168.0.1 and in the resolver i set it to all all for incomming and out going that it would resolve things but i guesss not

and even after the reboot and the sudo resolvectl flush-caches i still get same error temporary failture..
i did try this it also failed

if you can show with picture how my host override should look like that would cover everything be good as im a visual learner more over then words to understand things

comet424

so i tried these 2 different over rides but these didnt work

comet424

so with those 2 overrides i have i still can ping from
unraid
windows

but
ubutunu
raspberry pi

gives me issues cant resolve it... is that what you ment many cant resolve tardis just hostname

but what i dont understand is
i tell dhcp that the dns 192.168.0.1 so all clients know pfsense is to dns resolve all the local hostnames... i dont understand why it doesnt do it least not from ubuntu and raspberry pi.. and now i said that the domain that 192.168.0.1 the dns resolver needs to resolve all but it doesnt seem to be working

and here the arpa list the ubuntu desktop doesnt have no .home.arpa.. or the example i gave hell.com so pfsense should be resolving the hostnames no matter what os im pinging from right? least thats how i thought it works

i tried custom options

server:
private-domain: "home.arpa"

that didnt help either