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    • dennypageD
      dennypage @northernsky
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      @northernsky said in Netgate 2100 Max CPu pings 100% when download large files:

      I took your advice and removed the packages you suggested. I did not disable the gateway action and will do some research in limiters to see if I even need them and if not I will disable the gateway action.

      @Gertjan gave some excellent advice. Removing clamav and squid (and anything associated with squid) was an excellent decision.

      FWIW, I would like to second the recommendation to disable the Gateway Monitoring Action. You have a single WAN, so there is usually no downside to doing this. All the monitoring action ends up doing is restarting a bunch of processes that usually don't need to be restarted in a single WAN configuration, which can result in a cascade failure as @Gertjan described.

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        northernsky @SteveITS
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        @SteveITS so I deleted the Clam and squid packages and I ran the download closed out of the webgui with just putty running and the cpu looks fine. Unless someone sees something i don't.
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        I also ran it again with the download going with the webgui up and putty overlayed with steam capped at 60 megs. I was able to reload the webgui without issues or it giving me the 50x error message, but the cpu on that stills pings at 100% but in reality top is saying 17% for system. I guess don't believe the dashboard widgets? Also capping steam helps from saturating my pipe.
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        • dennypageD
          dennypage @northernsky
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          @northernsky said in Netgate 2100 Max CPu pings 100% when download large files:

          @SteveITS so I deleted the Clam and squid packages and I ran the download closed out of the webgui with just putty running and the cpu looks fine. Unless someone sees something i don't.
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          Your CPU is still 100% pegged. 76% in interrupt, which seems really high to me... @stephenw10, does this seem high to you?

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          • stephenw10S
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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            Yeah it's showing 0% idle, so 100% used. You need to use top -HaSP to see everything using CPU cycles there.

            That seems very high usage if it's 60Mbps. It's in the ball park if that's 60MBps.

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              northernsky @stephenw10
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              @stephenw10 Ok So here is the top again with the switch and the MB/s.

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              Steams cap setting:
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              Stream download:
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                SteveITS Galactic Empire @northernsky
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                @northernsky try 50000.

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                When upgrading, allow 10-15 minutes to restart, or more depending on packages and device speed.
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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                  The switch on top gives you all the info in the table below the header there. It should show what's actually using that.

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                    northernsky @SteveITS
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                    @SteveITS So 50000 had the same result. When I went down to 40000 then 30000 I was seeing a lot more cpu idle so it was not 0% all the time but just fluctuated around and looked better.

                    Is something wrong with my firewall or the configs or is it just at its limit with the bandwidth it can handle before getting stressed out?
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                    Thats back at 50000.

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                      It depends what's shown in the full top output. If it's all NIC loading then you probably are hitting the hardware limit with whatever config you have running.

                      With a basic config I expect to see something ~650Mbps LAN to WAN through a 2100 so ~80MBps

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                      • stephenw10S
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                        Oh you edited. So you can see netstat is using quite a bit. You have bandwidhd or traffic totals installed? Try disabling it as a test.

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                          northernsky @stephenw10
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                          @stephenw10 I don't have those installed. Should I? I dont have anything crazy going on here as far as I know. I did run through some netgate forums on best practices when I got the 2100 Max a couple years ago.

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                          • stephenw10S
                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                            Does that netstat line remain there constantly at 30% use?

                            What packages do you have installed?

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                              northernsky @stephenw10
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                              @stephenw10 These are all I haved left. I had some others but earlier in this thread I was advised to removed them. I dont know why I have that aws-wizard unless it was there out of the box.

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                              • stephenw10S
                                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                Yup those wizards are installed by default.

                                It could have been netstat showing momentarily. Or it could be a continuous 30% usage which would be worth digging into.

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                                  northernsky @northernsky
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                                  @northernsky ok I just saw something odd. I was watching top -HaSP and was sitting on the system/package manager/Installed packages screen while I had a download going at 50000 mb/s and the cpu sits here:
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                                  When I move to the dashboard....:
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                                  And when I moved to ANY other page other then the dashboard the CPU idle came back to life hovering around 40-55% idle. Crazy.

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                                  • stephenw10S
                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                    Yup, the dashboard is not insignificant on lower powered devices like the 2100. Some of that is due to the new widget update behaviour in 24.11 that was referenced above. That's a lot better in 25.03.

                                    But that is the reason you should test at the CLI if you can. The dashboard is the biggest user but even using the System Activity page in the gui uses a lot more CPU than running the command at the CLI.

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                                    • stephenw10S
                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                      But that 1st screenshot without a dynamic page open in GUI looks pretty much what I'd expect.

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                                        northernsky @stephenw10
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                                        @stephenw10 OK sounds good. I think we I can close this one out. I do have a couple questions. Is it worth installing the bandwidhd or traffic totals packages? I guess is probably a good time for me to re-check to make sure I am using the best practices and was wondering if you knew a good website resource from netgate?

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                                          SteveITS Galactic Empire @northernsky
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                                          @northernsky What you install is up to you/dependent on what you need. Something that counts bytes or scans packets is going to take CPU cycles per packet.

                                          FWIW we have bandwidthd installed on one router out of several dozen (us and clients) and it’s for a specific reason.

                                          Pre-2.7.2/23.09: Only install packages for your version, or risk breaking it. Select your branch in System/Update/Update Settings.
                                          When upgrading, allow 10-15 minutes to restart, or more depending on packages and device speed.
                                          Upvote 👍 helpful posts!

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                                          • GertjanG
                                            Gertjan @northernsky
                                            last edited by Gertjan

                                            @northernsky said in Netgate 2100 Max CPu pings 100% when download large files:

                                            Is it worth installing the bandwidhd or traffic totals packages?

                                            These create stats. Loads of stats.
                                            This means :
                                            They need 'a lot of space' to store the stats (so your disk storage device will be used way more faster ... and remember : these don't live forever, they have a max write cycle live time)
                                            They 'tap' into the network driver(s) to get access to the real time data (packet) flow, and pareses every one of them. Probably only the headers, but still : overall impact will be noticeable.
                                            They will 'log' a lot, so again : disk space and a lot of writes cycles.

                                            It's always the same : even it's is free, there is a price and performance tradeoff. You decide what's OK for you.

                                            Btw : your last image : I see several identical dpinger processes using 76.135.2xx.111.
                                            Normally, there is only one (two) dpinger process(es) - one for every IP type : IPv4 and IPv6.
                                            Not sure why you have several of them.

                                            I have an IPv4 and IPv6 connection, so :

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                                            No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                                            Edit : and where are the logs ??

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