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      dond @stephenw10
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      @stephenw10

      Another thing I noticed is that if I define the Monirotin IP with 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1 it gives a DPINGER error, so I even left the gateway itself and created a static route, the errors disappeared but this instability in the gateways returned.

      DNET_PPPOE 8.8.8.8: sendto error: 13
      Jul 24 17:22:44 dpinger 38309 DNET_PPPOE 8.8.8.8: sendto error: 13
      Jul 24 17:22:45 dpinger 38309 DNET_PPPOE 8.8.8.8: sendto error: 13
      Jul 24 17:22:45 dpinger 38309 DNET_PPPOE 8.8.8.8: sendto error: 13

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        dond @stephenw10
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        @stephenw10

        How are you checking that? You see it in the gateway group status? - Yes

        Is the pfSense default IPv4 gateway set to the failover group? Or Automatic?
        failover group

        In automatic mode the default gateway will simply move to the next gateway if the existing one goes down.

        This pfSense works perfectly and has been running for over years. It started showing this after the upgrade.

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          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @dond
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          @dond said in Strange behavior with gateway:

          When we go to TIER3, it assumes it's STARLINK.

          Hmm, what exactly do you mean by that? How are you 'going to tier 3'?

          But importantly where are you using that gateway group? Is it set as the system default IPv4 gateway?

          Here?
          Screenshot from 2025-07-24 23-41-34.png

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            dond @stephenw10
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            @stephenw10

            When I refer to tier 3, I mean the position of this link in the gateway group when configuring FailOver.

            I created the group and set the link to TIER 3.

            My default group is FailOver, the group of gateways I created.

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              chpalmer @dond
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              @dond Some information that you might run into on yootoob is either outdated or just plain wrong in case you have referred to that service when originally setting your system up..

              This is my setting for comparison-

              failover.jpg

              What I do not know is how IPv6 affects this as I do not use it here.

              Triggering snowflakes one by one..
              Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590T CPU @ 2.00GHz on an M400 WG box.

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                dond @chpalmer
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                @chpalmer

                6b8121ad-bc6b-4372-9603-1c1f5c877486-image.png

                894f622d-6909-4b06-8fc3-adf6f7f1fef0-image.png

                I removed STARLINK so as not to interrupt the night crew.

                But if I enable it and put it in the gateway group, after a few minutes it becomes the default.

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                • chpalmerC
                  chpalmer @dond
                  last edited by chpalmer

                  @dond and with that big Starlink outage today I can see why.. LOL.

                  I am trying to figure out what I can do to replicate your setup here..

                  (starlink outage is what Elon gets for insinuating that a robot could take over as a rollerskate wearing carhop waitress) x. com thing.. 🤣

                  Triggering snowflakes one by one..
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                    dond @chpalmer
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                    @chpalmer LOL...

                    In short, what happens is that if the starlink link is enabled, I don't know why pfsesnne assumes it as the main one even though it is not defined in the gateway group.

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                    • chpalmerC
                      chpalmer @dond
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                      @dond Im curious if it has to do with monitoring the addresses your first two links are in your first graphic. I know that in the past some have had issues using Googles IP there but cannot remember specifics.

                      Will your actual gateways answer to a ping? or are they to close in the scope of things to let it work?

                      Triggering snowflakes one by one..
                      Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590T CPU @ 2.00GHz on an M400 WG box.

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                        dond @chpalmer
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                        @chpalmer

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                        In a way, yes.

                        What I expect is that when I define the gateway group, it will assume the tier I defined.

                        In IP Monitorin, I defined it this way and saw an error in my logs with dpinger.
                        Jul 24 18:29:19 dpinger 54194 DNET_PPPOE 8.8.8.8: sendto error: 13
                        Jul 24 18:29:20 dpinger 54194 DNET_PPPOE 8.8.8.8: sendto error: 13
                        Jul 24 18:29:20 dpinger 54194 DNET_PPPOE 8.8.8.8: sendto error: 13

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                        • chpalmerC
                          chpalmer @dond
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                          @dond Do you have the "Gateways" widget on your dashboard? Does it show any loss to any of the gateways?

                          Here since my secondary is just that I simply use the actual modem address to monitor which will never go down unless it loses power just because I expect that my tier1 gateway will take back over when it comes back up and it always does.

                          Should be true on the highest numerical tier (in your case) 3.. you should not have to ping very far out at all if it is working correctly.

                          Just trying to rule things out.. and thinking out loud.

                          Triggering snowflakes one by one..
                          Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590T CPU @ 2.00GHz on an M400 WG box.

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                            dond @chpalmer
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                            @chpalmer

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                            This is what is strangest in my dashboard, the two normal likes visually

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                              chpalmer @dond
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                              @dond

                              widget.jpg

                              Set your weight for all of them to one. See if that does not work...

                              Triggering snowflakes one by one..
                              Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590T CPU @ 2.00GHz on an M400 WG box.

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                                dond @chpalmer
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                                @chpalmer said in Strange behavior with gateway:

                                Set your weight for all of them to one. See if that does not work...

                                By default it was 1, I changed it in an attempt to fix this, but I'm back now.

                                I'm waiting for the staff to finalize the billing. I'll leave everything as it was and do a new check. I'll highlight everything and come back here.

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                                • chpalmerC
                                  chpalmer @dond
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                                  @dond

                                  Good luck. Be monitoring from the sidelines.

                                  Triggering snowflakes one by one..
                                  Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590T CPU @ 2.00GHz on an M400 WG box.

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                                  • stephenw10S
                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                    Hmm, if you set the default to the failover group it should show the tiers in the gateway list like:
                                    Screenshot from 2025-07-25 01-08-54.png

                                    Your screenshot above doesn't show that.

                                    When starlink becomes the default do the other two gateways still show on-line as expected? Or is something actually breaking the other two gateways somehow?

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                                      chpalmer @stephenw10
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                                      @stephenw10 https://forum.netgate.com/post/1221361

                                      ???

                                      Triggering snowflakes one by one..
                                      Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590T CPU @ 2.00GHz on an M400 WG box.

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                                        dond @stephenw10
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                                        @stephenw10 said in Strange behavior with gateway:

                                        When starlink becomes the default do the other two gateways still show on-line as expected? Or is something actually breaking the other two gateways somehow?

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                                        It remains online, then I take down the starlink and then the main one comes back on.

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                                        • stephenw10S
                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                          What's shown in the logs when it switches the default to Starlink?

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                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @chpalmer
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                                            @chpalmer said in Strange behavior with gateway:

                                            ???

                                            When the default gateway is set to a failover group the 'Default' column in the gateways list should show the tiers. But in this screenshot it doesn't: https://forum.netgate.com/post/1221365
                                            That's unexpected.

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