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    • M Offline
      maverick_slo
      last edited by

      Hi
      I have 3 systems unable to update, because dl speed is about 1MBit/s.

      Tried speedtest, various dl files from across world, all ok.
      Just netgate 208.123.73.209 has slow dl speed to my location.

      What can I do?

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      • stephenw10S Offline
        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
        last edited by

        They don't even try to update?

        Some MTU issue in the route?

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          maverick_slo @stephenw10
          last edited by

          @stephenw10
          Dont know about mtu,..

          They update but it takes forever..

          New install same problem

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          • stephenw10S Offline
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
            last edited by stephenw10

            Try a packet capture while running pkg update. Do you see errors or retransmissions?

            It pretty much has to be something in the route. The servers there are running fine AFAIK.

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              maverick_slo @stephenw10
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              @stephenw10
              Yeah a lot of out of order and retransmissions...
              aec50c42-241d-4a79-bdd3-0c68dbc2eb03-Screenshot 2025-08-09 173935.jpg

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              • stephenw10S Offline
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                last edited by

                Yup could be something dropping packets in the route.

                But I would try setting MSS on the WAN to something that will definitely pass like 1300. If that fixes the link it confirms an MTU or PathMTU issue.

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                  maverick_slo @stephenw10
                  last edited by

                  @stephenw10
                  Tried with 1300 and 1200 MTU and MSS same result.

                  I wrote to my isp if they can do something about it...

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                  • stephenw10S Offline
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                    last edited by

                    Try just running a ping to 208.123.73.209 and see what the loss rate is.

                    You could also try running MTR against it:

                                                       My traceroute  [v0.95]
                    steve-NUC9i9QNX (172.21.16.8) -> 208.123.73.209 (208.123.73.209)   2025-08-13T19:50:29+0100
                    Keys:  Help   Display mode   Restart statistics   Order of fields   quit
                                                                       Packets               Pings
                     Host                                            Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
                     1. fw1.stevew.lan                                0.0%    26    0.3   0.4   0.3   0.5   0.1
                     2. 172.16.13.252                                 0.0%    26    4.7   4.6   4.4   5.0   0.1
                     3. (waiting for reply)
                     4. 128.hiper04.sheff.dial.plus.net.uk            0.0%    26    5.5   5.5   5.2   7.2   0.4
                     5. 62.6.204.236                                  0.0%    26    5.4   5.8   5.2   6.9   0.4
                     6. core5-hu0-0-0-15.faraday.ukcore.bt.net        0.0%    26    5.6   6.5   5.4  25.7   3.9
                     7. 166-49-209-132.gia.bt.net                     0.0%    26    5.6   6.2   5.4  21.0   3.0
                     8. ixp1-xe-5-0-0-2.us-ash.gia.bt.net             0.0%    26   88.4  88.9  87.6 105.7   3.5
                     9. int-14-0-5-2.pr2.dca10.netops.charter.com     0.0%    26   89.3  98.0  88.7 126.7   8.5
                    10. lag-10.asbnva1611w-bcr00.netops.charter.com   0.0%    26  124.2 123.1 122.4 125.9   0.8
                    11. lag-400.atlngamq46w-bcr00.netops.charter.com 23.1%    26  112.4 113.3 112.3 115.8   0.8
                    12. lag-12.hstqtx0209w-bcr00.netops.charter.com   0.0%    26  112.6 113.1 112.0 114.1   0.6
                    13. lag-1-10.rcr01hstqtx02.netops.charter.com     0.0%    26  111.8 112.0 111.6 113.4   0.4
                    14. lag-9.mcr02hstqtx02.netops.charter.com        0.0%    26  122.7 122.7 122.3 124.3   0.4
                    15. lag-102.mcr02snavtxuu.netops.charter.com      0.0%    26  135.2 135.1 134.7 135.9   0.3
                    16. lag-101.mcr02snantxvy.netops.charter.com      0.0%    26  135.1 135.1 134.8 135.4   0.2
                    17. lag-102.mcr02ausdtxir.netops.charter.com      0.0%    26  125.0 125.1 124.8 125.7   0.2
                    18. syn-076-058-033-033.biz.spectrum.com          0.0%    26  135.3 134.2 133.8 135.3   0.3
                    19. syn-024-073-241-243.biz.spectrum.com          0.0%    26  135.0 135.9 133.8 147.5   3.9
                    20. syn-097-105-026-206.biz.spectrum.com          0.0%    25  125.5 125.5 125.2 126.0   0.2
                    21. net66-219-34-194.static-customer.corenap.com  0.0%    25  125.1 125.1 124.9 126.0   0.2
                    22. fw1-zcolo.netgate.com                         0.0%    25  128.5 128.6 128.4 129.1   0.1
                    23. 208.123.73.209                                0.0%    25  125.8 125.6 125.4 125.9   0.1
                    
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                      maverick_slo
                      last edited by

                      No loss

                      208.123.73.209 ping statistics ---
                      23 packets transmitted, 23 received, 0% packet loss, time 22029ms
                      rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 140.357/147.701/152.623/5.680 ms

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                        maverick_slo @maverick_slo
                        last edited by stephenw10

                        Mtr, HE is really bad...

                        My traceroute  [v0.94]
                        as.rasca.local (10.10.0.82) -> 208.123.73.209                          2025-08-13T21:27:40+0200 
                        Keys:  Help   Display mode   Restart statistics   Order of fields   quit
                                                                               Packets               Pings               
                        Host                                                Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev  
                        1. _gateway                                          0.0%     7    0.3   0.3   0.2   0.4   0.15 
                        2. 77-38-56-1.dynamic.telemach.net                   0.0%     7    2.3   4.4   1.9  13.3   4.24 
                        3. 185-66-148-89.static.telemach.net                 0.0%     7    2.2   3.4   1.9  11.3   3.5
                        4. 100ge0-36.core1.lju1.he.net                       0.0%     7   14.5   8.7   7.3  14.5   2.68   
                        5. 0.4-66.core2.vie1.he.net                         28.6%     7   10.0   7.8   7.1  10.0   1.2
                        6. 100ge0-63.core2.par2.he.net                      71.4%     7   26.2  26.2  26.2  26.2   0.0  
                        7. port-channel11.core2.nyc4.he.net                 66.7%     7   96.8  96.8  96.7  96.7   0.08 
                        8. port-channel11.core1.ash1.he.net                 66.7%     7  101.6 101.7 101.6 101.9   0.2
                        9. port-channel1.core3.ash1.he.net                  50.0%     7  102.8 102.9 102.8 102.9   0.1
                        10. twc-7843-bb-as7843.e0-33.switch1.ash1.he.net      0.0%     7  104.4 101.8 100.9 104.4   1.2 
                        11. lag-310.asbnva1611w-bcr00.netops.charter.com      0.0%     7  128.8 129.5 128.8 130.7   0.8 
                        12. lag-407.atlngamq46w-bcr00.netops.charter.com     42.9%     7  134.8 132.9 128.4 140.2   5.78.
                        13. lag-405.hstqtx0209w-bcr00.netops.charter.com      0.0%     7  127.5 127.8 127.5 128.1   6.9 
                        14. lag-1-10.rcr01hstqtx02.netops.charter.com         0.0%     7  126.6 126.6 126.4 126.6   0.17
                        15. lag-9.mcr02hstqtx02.netops.charter.com            0.0%     7  128.8 128.8 128.6 129.0   0.21
                        16. lag-102.mcr02snavtxuu.netops.charter.com          0.0%     6  141.1 141.2 141.1 141.3   0.1 
                        17. lag-101.mcr02snantxvy.netops.charter.com          0.0%     6  140.1 140.5 139.5 144.7   2.16   
                        18. 1ag-102.mcr02ausdtxir.netops.charter.com          0.0%     6  140.2 140.2 139.6 142.6   1.27
                        19. syn-076-058-033-033.biz.spectrum.com              0.0%     6  141.4 140.9 140.6 141.0   0.24   
                        20  syn-024-073-241-243.biz.spectrum.com              0.0%     6  142.0 141.1 140.5 142.0   0.64   
                        21. syn-097-105-026-206.biz.spectrum.com              0.0%     6  156.9 152.3 151.2 156.9   2.36   
                        22. 2t66-219-34-194.static-customer.corenap.com       0.0%     6  151.5 143.0 141.0 151.5   4.2 
                        23. fw1-zcolo.netgate.com                             0.0%     6  152.5 147.3 141.3 153.1   6.1 
                        24. 208.123.73.209                                    0.0%     6  169.9 149.5 140.2 169.9  11.7
                        

                        Edit: Fixed up that MTR output.

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                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @maverick_slo
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                          That MTR output is actually OK. It's normal to see some hops in the route the don't respond to pings or drop packets. The important thing is that there is no loss at thge last few hops. If there was general packet loss in the route everything beyond a bad router would see at least that same level of loss.

                          That packet capture sure looks like it's just missing traffic though. ๐Ÿค”

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                            maverick_slo @stephenw10
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                            @stephenw10

                            What can I do? ๐Ÿ™‚

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                            • stephenw10S Offline
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                              last edited by

                              You could try pinging with large packets to determine any MTU restriction in the path. Setting MSS to 1200 should have eliminated that unless it's very restricted.

                              In the screenshot of the pcap we can see large packets arriving from the pkg servers but none going the other way.

                              Though the fact that pfSense is continually sending duplicate ACKs seems to imply that it's not seeing the incoming packets from the server even though they are reaching the NIC.

                              I assume you are not seeing traffic blocked in the firewall log? Do you have custom block rules that might block that without logging?

                              Do you have more than one WAN? Is it possible traffic is using both?

                              Something else could be dropping traffic on the WAN like traffic shaping or Snort.

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                                maverick_slo @stephenw10
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                                @stephenw10
                                No, one wan.

                                2 locations, same ISP....

                                Happens same on both locations even if I try to use installer for new install so no snort or whatever..

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                                  JeGr LAYER 8 Moderator @maverick_slo
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                                  @maverick_slo Are you running WAN IPv4 only or with dualstack (IPv6), too?

                                  I've seen quite a few installs from us with dual stack where especially v6 was slow as hell. Disabling v6 (setting v6 gateway to none to force it to run via v4) was way faster. As sad as that is...

                                  Just an idea.

                                  Don't forget to upvote ๐Ÿ‘ those who kindly offered their time and brainpower to help you!

                                  If you're interested, I'm available to discuss details of German-speaking paid support (for companies) if needed.

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                                    maverick_slo @JeGr
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                                    @JeGr nop
                                    No ipv6 at all..

                                    Also no firewall rules that would block anything...

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                                    • stephenw10S Offline
                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                      last edited by

                                      Are you able to upload that pcap (or one like it) so we can look at it? That looks so catastrophic it should show something where it first fails.

                                      https://nc.netgate.com/nextcloud/s/gmrTnLwJyNjNpqa

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                                        maverick_slo @stephenw10
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                                        @stephenw10
                                        Hi.
                                        Upliaded to your and mine Nextcloud ๐Ÿ™‚

                                        Hope u see something..

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                                        • stephenw10S Offline
                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                          last edited by

                                          Hmm, unfortunately that doesn't include the initial part of the connection where it first fails. Are you able to get a pcap including that? If you just run pkg update for example.

                                          Was is that running on? The MAC addresses for pfSense and it's gateway are unusual.

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                                            maverick_slo @stephenw10
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                                            @stephenw10
                                            Uploaded: telemach_netgate_PKG_UPDATE.pcap

                                            But it`s just 9KB...

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