Nat stop working after certificate renewal

nirmelamoud

The client's browser has a white page with nothing but "access denied."
The system log shows" Aug 21 19:21:40 WAN Default deny rule IPv4 (1000000103)"

but I do have a NAT rule that was working few days ago, for specific IP addresses, to allow them in
all of them stop working (without client IP change)

Im not sure the certificate is related of course, but that's the only change I made, right before it stopped working
The router UI is working

I use direct DNS rules in CloudFlare (so the port will work as its not a standard port) but its not related to CloudFlare as even if the browser go to my direct IP , I see the same behavior

any idea how I Can debug this , find why the rules been passed through ?

the rule is basically single host - specific IP, from to port (both other -- both 8200) redirect to internal IP, same other port 8200
nat reflection - default

johnpoz

@nirmelamoud said in Nat stop working after certificate renewal:

The client's browser has a white page with nothing but "access denied."

That is not what would happen with a firewall block.. Even with a redirection.

So here are the 2 different blocks - a just block, ie firewall just ignores the traffic.

And then here is a actual reject where the firewall sends a response saying hey you can't get there..

For browser to say access denied, the only way it should really know that is if the webserver trying to talk said hey buddy sorry your not allowed, which would be a 403 error.

So not exactly sure what is going on, but would follow standard port forwarding troubleshooting..

Here is how chrome shows it

What browser are you using? But a access denied would come from the webserver or a proxy, not a firewall even with a reject.

Are you forwarding this traffic to some internal proxy you are running?

nirmelamoud

@johnpoz THANKS for the detailed respone,
my rounter fw it to another router that fw it to a web server
I do not see the traffic in the internal router
I see the rule on the external router that say it block the traffic , so I do not think it passed the fw
agree I do not understand why I see access denied

I used edge and chrome (on windows, and chrome on android phone)

I do have pfblockgerNG on, but dont think its involved, it is blocking mainly other countries

Gertjan

@nirmelamoud said in Nat stop working after certificate renewal:

I see the rule on the external router that say it block the traffic , so I do not think it passed the fw

pfSense is the internal router or the external ?

nirmelamoud

@Gertjan pfsense is the external

johnpoz

@nirmelamoud again troubleshoot the problem.. If traffic from outside hits your pfsense wan and is blocked by the default rule, then your rules are not right, they didn't load?

Do you have rules in floating? Lets see your port forward rules and the rules you have on pfsense wan..

None which would have anything to do with renewing the web gui certificate.

edit: btw if hit IP you talked to the forum with on just http (port 80) stuff is served - looks like some pictures. https times out.

nirmelamoud

@johnpoz no floating rules, all rules
all these nat rules are https , I do have one HTTP rule, and its working.
I do not see any https timeout anywhere is the logs,

any command line trick (or logs to look at) to see if NAT rules not loaded (although I see them on the NAT table) ?

johnpoz

@nirmelamoud do a cat /tmp/rules.debug

Here is how you can see the full ruleset

https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/firewall/pf-ruleset.html

You can always reload them and look at the output.

Status / Filter reload

What rules I see no rules posted - all rules tell me nothing..

https timeout anywhere is the logs,

Why would you think you should see anything of the sort in the logs.. I already went over this is great detail. A timeout in your browser is if pfsense blocked the traffic..

if you want any help your going to have to give us something to look at to see if we can spot where the problem is..

example

nirmelamoud

@johnpoz
thanks I see all the rules in the command prompt , as I said there is no timeout on browser I See access denied (its 403)

johnpoz

@nirmelamoud said in Nat stop working after certificate renewal:

I See access denied (its 403)

There is no possible way pfsense could do that - and when I go to the IP and see your website with pictures via https - I just get a timeout I get no 403, a 403 is telling you you can't got there.. Not the firewall.

And if your seeing traffic to 443 blocked in the logs - why/how could it be sending a 403??? You understand when you block in a firewall all it does is ignore the traffic.. So your client just never gets an answer.

If you are not going to actually show us your rules, rule order matters, maybe you have it set for udp or something, nor do any off the basic port forwarding troubleshooting that takes all of 30 seconds tops to do - nobody is going to be able to help you..

Go to can you see me . org - send traffic.. Sniff on your wan do you see the traffic come in.. Do you see any sort of response, ie a Syn,ACK?

If you see no response, now sniff on the lan side do the same test do you see pfsense send on the traffic.. If you do then pfsense did its thing whatever is not working for you has zero to do with pfsense.