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      hoba
      last edited by

      The second time I link to http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=1149.msg6765#msg6765 in this thread  :P

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        pcatiprodotnet
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        Thanks hoba!
        Although it's fairly obvious, I was just hoping to see it spelled out in no uncertain terms that 0=Main and 1=Aux.
        I was careful to read the card's docs to be sure I put the First pigtail (labeled "Antenna#1") on Main,
        and the Second pigtail (labeled "Antenna#2") on Aux.  -Pete

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          nima.m
          last edited by

          2 means Auto.

          What I did was to set both antenna to 0 fisrt and check the in/out errror, then set both to 1 and check the errors again.
          Do the same and see when you get less error, then you know which antenna port you should use.

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            pcatiprodotnet
            last edited by

            nima.m, is it possible that you plugged your single pigtail into the card's Aux antenna port, and that is why you had to set it to 1?

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              hoba
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              @pcatiprodotnet:

              Thanks hoba!
              Although it's fairly obvious, I was just hoping to see it spelled out in no uncertain terms that 0=Main and 1=Aux. -Pete

              I think that is related to the hardwarelayout. I have even seen cards with no label on either of the antennaoutputs. I recommend doing what nima.m suggested. Try to see what gives you the best results. Generate some traffic (try to load it) and you should see errors increasing rather fast with the wrong setting. Closing the case might help finding the wrong setting too, so you get some noise reflections inside the case with the non hooked up output.

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                nima.m
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                I have no idea :-)

                I bought one of those Lintex 6 Nic router and told them to install a CM9 minipci and a external antenna and send it to me.
                And they did that, And I havn't open my case for checking it.

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                  pcatiprodotnet
                  last edited by

                  I just tried the above procedure on beta4, deleted /tmp/config.cache, rebooted for good measure, and it didn't change.
                  I loaded up /cf/conf/config.xml , and re-checked it…
                  <maximumstates><afterfilterchangeshellcmd>sysctl dev.ath.0.rxantenna=0;sysctl dev.ath.0.txantenna=0;sysctl dev.ath.0.diversity=0</afterfilterchangeshellcmd>

                  but in shell it still reports...

                  sysctl dev.ath.0.diversity

                  dev.ath.0.diversity: 1

                  sysctl dev.ath.0.rxantenna

                  dev.ath.0.rxantenna: 1

                  sysctl dev.ath.0.txantenna

                  dev.ath.0.txantenna: 0</maximumstates>

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                    nima.m
                    last edited by

                    Change it to :

                    <shellcmd>sysctl dev.ath.0.rxantenna=1;sysctl dev.ath.0.txantenna=1;sysctl dev.ath.0.diversity=0</shellcmd>
                    <afterfilterchangeshellcmd>sysctl dev.ath.0.rxantenna=1;sysctl dev.ath.0.txantenna=1;sysctl dev.ath.0.diversity=0</afterfilterchangeshellcmd>

                    then reboot and check

                    sysctl dev.ath.0.diversity

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                      pcatiprodotnet
                      last edited by

                      It's still unchanged. -Pete

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                        pcatiprodotnet
                        last edited by

                        Is there a way to simply run a shell script after pfsense finishes booting?  If so, I could put the sysctl commands there.
                        This problem with the antennas is causing us quite a bit of hassle.
                        Also, I wouldn't recommend pfSense pre-determining the antenna settings because people will often attach a single pigtail on the "wrong" mini-pci U.FL connector or transpose two connectors for main/aux.  If you must, perhaps setting both Tx & Rx to Auto would be the most generally helpful; but, having the ability to set them in the GUI is golden.
                        Thank you, -Pete

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                          lsf
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                          This is not something we controll, it's controlled by the freebsd driver/HAL. One of the reasons i haven't added these settings are just because of that. What should be defaults ? should I first up the card and enable it, and then allow the values to be changed ? if not, how should i get the defaults ? (the defaults "change" based on what settings it found "sensible" when the interface was up'ed and configured).
                          Basically what i'm trying to say is that the driver does not behave the same on every HW combo/user setup. So it's hard to pick any default. I know the driver does not do this perfectly, but it probably does a better job then us presetting/hardcoding this.

                          -lsf

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                            nima.m
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                            @pcatiprodotnet:

                            Is there a way to simply run a shell script after pfsense finishes booting?  If so, I could put the sysctl commands there.

                            Thats what shellcmd tag do,

                            Lets try this
                            1.Change your config file in this way :
                              <shellcmd>echo 1 > /beforeShell;sysctl dev.ath.0.rxantenna=1;sysctl dev.ath.0.txantenna=1;sysctl dev.ath.0.diversity=0;echo 1 > /afterShell</shellcmd>
                              <afterfilterchangeshellcmd>echo 1 > /beforeFilter;sysctl dev.ath.0.rxantenna=1;sysctl dev.ath.0.txantenna=1;sysctl dev.ath.0.diversity=0;echo 1 > /afterFilter;</afterfilterchangeshellcmd>

                            2.Reboot

                            3.SSH to your router

                            4.Run this command one by one and see the result :

                            ls /beforeShell
                            ls /afterShell
                            ls /beforeFilter
                            ls /afterFilter

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                              pcatiprodotnet
                              last edited by

                              After some investigation, I discovered that boot commands are working; however, after a little time, the old settings get put back. I'm not quite sure what to make of this.  Perhaps with Diversity is On, the wireless card is changing the Rx antenna setting based on what it thinks is best at the moment?

                              Another handy command: athstats

                              Although information is sparse, it appears that for tx/rxantenna setting: 0=auto, 1=antenna1, 2=antenna2.

                              -Pete

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                                billm
                                last edited by

                                @pcatiprodotnet:

                                After some investigation, I discovered that boot commands are working; however, after a little time, the old settings get put back. I'm not quite sure what to make of this.
                                -Pete

                                Yeah, I believe some of that is the ATH driver.  It's annoying.  FWIW, I have a machine with two antenna's attached and I constantly get errors - it doesn't seem to impact the performance of the unit, so I've just learned to ignore it.

                                –Bill

                                pfSense core developer
                                blog - http://www.ucsecurity.com/
                                twitter - billmarquette

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                                  lsf
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                                  @pcatiprodotnet:

                                  Although information is sparse, it appears that for tx/rxantenna setting: 0=auto, 1=antenna1, 2=antenna2.

                                  To be honest i haven't checked this in a while, so it might have changed in the ath driver, however madwifi also seems to have what I stated earlier, and it used to be the defautls of the HAL.
                                  So this might be some weirdness with athstats as well (i'll check this out later)
                                  BTW: both=auto

                                  If diversity is on then it should change antennas whenever it needs to (autosense), however if diversity is off then it should stick to what you set it to. And diversity should not turn on again unless you change the interface settings or up/down the interface.

                                  -lsf

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                                    rneily
                                    last edited by

                                    Another question..  If I enable TPC via sysctl commands, it seems to turn on both antennas, and diversity.  Does TPC require the use of two antennas?  I have searched on this, but I cant find anything?  (I'm using a CM9)

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                                      lsf
                                      last edited by

                                      That really depends on the implemetation, to be honest I'm not sure how this is controlled in sams HAL.
                                      Normally it should not require diversity and/or two antennas.

                                      -lsf

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                                        rneily
                                        last edited by

                                        Nevermind.  I got it working, I was using the wrong antenna connector on the card.  On the Cm9, the main port is the one nearest the corner of the card.  What I didnt know was that this was antenna 1, not 0…  Everything is good with TCP now.

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                                          pcatiprodotnet
                                          last edited by

                                          It seems the pfSense default antenna settings are great as is (for Atheros).
                                          I just tested this at extreme range (pfSense default is Transmit=Auto and Receive=Diversity).
                                          No matter which antenna port I plugged the antenna into, I got a stable connection with zero ping loss.
                                          I also tested using antenna port #1  with a directional antenna for backhaul and port #2 with an omni for re-transmittion, worked great; it was very good at determining which antenna to use.  So, from now on, I'm just going to leave the antenna settings alone.  The current defaults work great.

                                          One thing I noticed though, no matter how I setup antennas, on every unit I get enormous FIFO Overrun Errors, even when they're not in use, but it still works fine; is this normal?  (fyi, I'm using EMP-8602, ad-hoc mode, odfm cts/rts protection, olsr, on wrap.2c if that matters)
                                          -pc

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                                            billm
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                                            Heh, 3x more input errors than packets ;)  It all works well (it seems), so I dunno.  I kinda don't really care much as long as it works though.  I'll have to poke at the driver code and see events increase Ierrs.

                                            $ netstat -ni -I ath0
                                            Name    Mtu Network      Address              Ipkts Ierrs    Opkts Oerrs  Coll
                                            ath0  1500 <link#1>00:0b:6b:4d:58:10  3348424 9424614  3895234    99    0
                                            ath0  1500 fe80:1::20b:6 fe80:1::20b:6bff:        0    -        4    -    -
                                            ath0  1500 192.168.255  192.168.255.254        247    -        0    -    -</link#1>

                                            pfSense core developer
                                            blog - http://www.ucsecurity.com/
                                            twitter - billmarquette

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