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      Leoandru
      last edited by

      I see the problem.

      let out anything from the firewall host itself and decrypted IPsec traffic

      pass out quick on rl0 all keep state label "let out anything from firewall host itself"

      is by passing the queues. and shouldn't be there if the shaper is active. Hrm I'll poke at the code a little later.

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        sullrich
        last edited by

        @Leoandru:

        I see the problem.

        let out anything from the firewall host itself and decrypted IPsec traffic

        pass out quick on rl0 all keep state label "let out anything from firewall host itself"

        is by passing the queues. and shouldn't be there if the shaper is active. Hrm I'll poke at the code a little later.

        That would be my fault.  We need this to allow pptp on wan client to work.  Any easy workarounds?

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          Leoandru
          last edited by

          oh, ok.. It should be safe to remove that rule if the shaper is active since the shaper rules always creates a default pass out for each interface.

          in his case

          pass out quick on rl0 all keep state queue (qwandef, qwanacks) label "let out anything from firewall host itself"

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            sullrich
            last edited by

            Okay, I have changed it to only install this rule if the traffic shaper is disabled.

            If this is a full installation, please run from option 8 on the pfSense console:

            cvs_sync.sh releng_1

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              dvserg
              last edited by

              @sullrich:

              Okay, I have changed it to only install this rule if the traffic shaper is disabled.

              If this is a full installation, please run from option 8 on the pfSense console:

              cvs_sync.sh releng_1

              How configure cvs_sync for update with existing firewall? (or http)

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                hoba
                last edited by

                There is nothing to configure. Just make sure your pfSense is connected to the internet and can access/resolve pfsense.org as it will pull down the files from there. Then run the command from the shell. It will take some time. Don't use the webgui while it's updating.

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                  dvserg
                  last edited by

                  @hoba:

                  There is nothing to configure. Just make sure your pfSense is connected to the internet and can access/resolve pfsense.org as it will pull down the files from there. Then run the command from the shell. It will take some time. Don't use the webgui while it's updating.

                  ~~what different between internet access of webgui package_install and shell pkg_add?

                  In webgui packaged adding good without any trouble, but in shell

                  pkg_add cvsup-without-gui

                  can't connect to ftp…~~

                  cvs_sync.sh need to connect to cvs.pfsense.com only 5999 port or any?

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                    sullrich
                    last edited by

                    Make it easier on yourself and allow any.  It needs to connect to pfSense.com for packages as well.

                    Plus traffic from the firewall itself does not apply to the filter rules.

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                      dvserg
                      last edited by

                      No. I can't see any effect after update  :(
                      Bandwidth not worked - only default and ACK

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                        Leoandru
                        last edited by

                        Look at the rules.. is the offending rule still there? the one I pointed out.

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                          sullrich
                          last edited by

                          @dvserg:

                          No. I can't see any effect after update  :(
                          Bandwidth not worked - only default and ACK

                          Did you reboot after running the command?

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                            dvserg
                            last edited by

                            Not. I nothing to find
                            really worked in queue status : qwandef  qlandef  qlanacks
                            other queues not have packets (0/pps)

                            # System Aliases 
                            loopback = "{ lo0 }"
                            lan = "{ xl0  carp0 bridge0 }"
                            wan = "{ rl0  carp0 bridge0 ng0 }"
                            # User Aliases 
                            AdminLine = "{ 10.62.0.25 }"
                            
                            set loginterface rl0
                            set loginterface xl0
                            set optimization normal
                            
                            scrub on rl0 all random-id 
                            altq on rl0 hfsc bandwidth 2Mb queue { qwanRoot }
                            altq on xl0 hfsc bandwidth 256Kb queue { qlanRoot }
                            
                            queue qwanRoot bandwidth 2Mb priority 0 hfsc { qwandef, qwanacks, qRdpUp, qOthersUpH, qOthersUpL, qwebUp }
                            queue qlanRoot bandwidth 256Kb priority 0 hfsc { qlandef, qlanacks, qRdpDown, qOthersDownH, qOthersDownL, qwebDown }
                            queue qwandef bandwidth 5% priority 3 hfsc (  default realtime 1% )
                            queue qlandef bandwidth 5% priority 3 hfsc (  default realtime 1% )
                            queue qwanacks bandwidth 5% priority 7 hfsc (  realtime 1% )
                            queue qlanacks bandwidth 5% priority 7 hfsc (  realtime 1% )
                            queue qRdpUp bandwidth 3% priority 6 hfsc (  red ecn realtime 3% )
                            queue qRdpDown bandwidth 3% priority 6 hfsc (  red ecn realtime 3% )
                            queue qOthersUpH bandwidth 1% priority 6 hfsc (  red ecn realtime 1Kb )
                            queue qOthersDownH bandwidth 1% priority 6 hfsc (  red ecn realtime 1Kb )
                            queue qOthersUpL bandwidth 1% priority 2 qlimit 500 hfsc (  red ecn realtime 1Kb )
                            queue qOthersDownL bandwidth 1% priority 2 qlimit 500 hfsc (  red ecn realtime 1Kb )
                            queue qwebUp bandwidth 10% priority 2 hfsc (  red ecn realtime 5Kb )
                            queue qwebDown bandwidth 40Kb priority 2 hfsc (  red ecn realtime 5Kb )
                            
                            # UPnPd rdr anchor
                            rdr-anchor "upnpd/*"
                            nat-anchor "pftpx/*"
                            nat-anchor "natearly/*"
                            nat-anchor "natrules/*"
                            # FTP proxy
                            rdr-anchor "pftpx/*"
                            nat on $wan from 10.62.0.0/24 port 500 to any port 500 -> (rl0) port 500
                            nat on $wan from 10.62.0.0/24 to any -> (rl0)
                            #SSH Lockout Table
                            table <sshlockout>persist
                            
                            # spam table 
                            table <whitelist>persist
                            table <blacklist>persist
                            table <spamd>persist
                            table <spamd-white>persist file "/var/db/whitelist.txt"
                            rdr pass on rl0 proto tcp from <blacklist>to port smtp -> 127.0.0.1 port spamd
                            rdr pass on rl0 proto tcp from <spamd>to port smtp -> 127.0.0.1 port spamd
                            rdr pass on rl0 proto tcp from ! <spamd-white>to port smtp -> 127.0.0.1 port spamd
                            
                            # Load balancing anchor - slbd updates
                            rdr-anchor "slb"
                            
                            # FTP Proxy/helper
                            
                            block in all tag unshaped label "SHAPER: first match rule"
                            pass in on  $wan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 22  keep state tagged unshaped tag qOthersUpH 
                            pass out on $lan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 22 keep state tagged qOthersUpH tag qOthersDownH
                            pass in on  $lan proto tcp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 22  keep state tagged unshaped tag qOthersDownH 
                            pass out on $wan proto tcp from any to any port 22 keep state tagged qOthersDownH tag qOthersUpH
                            pass in on  $wan proto icmp from any to 10.62.0.0/24  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto icmp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto icmp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto icmp from any to any keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            pass in on  $wan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 53  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 53 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto tcp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 53  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto tcp from any to any port 53 keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            pass in on  $wan proto udp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 53  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto udp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 53 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto udp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 53  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto udp from any to any port 53 keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            pass in on  $wan proto udp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 161  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto udp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 161 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto udp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 161  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto udp from any to any port 161 keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            pass in on  $wan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 161  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 161 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto tcp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 161  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto tcp from any to any port 161 keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            pass in on  $wan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 119  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 119 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto tcp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 119  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto tcp from any to any port 119 keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            pass in on  $wan proto udp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 119  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto udp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 119 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto udp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 119  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto udp from any to any port 119 keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            pass in on  $wan proto esp from any to 10.62.0.0/24  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto esp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto esp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto esp from any to any keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            pass in on  $wan proto udp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 500  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto udp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 500 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto udp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 500  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto udp from any to any port 500 keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            pass in on  $wan proto ah from any to 10.62.0.0/24  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto ah from any to 10.62.0.0/24 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto ah from 10.62.0.0/24 to any  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto ah from any to any keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            pass in on  $wan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 1723  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 1723 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto tcp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 1723  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto tcp from any to any port 1723 keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            pass in on  $wan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 445  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 445 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto tcp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 445  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto tcp from any to any port 445 keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            pass in on  $wan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 137:139  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 137:139 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto tcp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 137:139  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto tcp from any to any port 137:139 keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            pass in on  $wan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 3389  keep state tagged unshaped tag qRdpUp 
                            pass out on $lan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 3389 keep state tagged qRdpUp tag qRdpDown
                            pass in on  $lan proto tcp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 3389  keep state tagged unshaped tag qRdpDown 
                            pass out on $wan proto tcp from any to any port 3389 keep state tagged qRdpDown tag qRdpUp
                            pass in on  $wan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 6667:6670  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 6667:6670 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto tcp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 6667:6670  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto tcp from any to any port 6667:6670 keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            pass in on  $wan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 80  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwebUp 
                            pass out on $lan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 80 keep state tagged qwebUp tag qwebDown
                            pass in on  $lan proto tcp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 80  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwebDown 
                            pass out on $wan proto tcp from any to any port 80 keep state tagged qwebDown tag qwebUp
                            pass in on  $wan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 443  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwebUp 
                            pass out on $lan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 443 keep state tagged qwebUp tag qwebDown
                            pass in on  $lan proto tcp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 443  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwebDown 
                            pass out on $wan proto tcp from any to any port 443 keep state tagged qwebDown tag qwebUp
                            pass in on  $wan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 3125:3129  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwebUp 
                            pass out on $lan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 3125:3129 keep state tagged qwebUp tag qwebDown
                            pass in on  $lan proto tcp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 3125:3129  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwebDown 
                            pass out on $wan proto tcp from any to any port 3125:3129 keep state tagged qwebDown tag qwebUp
                            pass in on  $wan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 143  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 143 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto tcp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 143  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto tcp from any to any port 143 keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            pass in on  $wan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 110  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 110 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto tcp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 110  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto tcp from any to any port 110 keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            pass in on  $wan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 25  keep state tagged unshaped tag qwandef 
                            pass out on $lan proto tcp from any to 10.62.0.0/24 port 25 keep state tagged qwandef tag qlandef
                            pass in on  $lan proto tcp from 10.62.0.0/24 to any port 25  keep state tagged unshaped tag qlandef 
                            pass out on $wan proto tcp from any to any port 25 keep state tagged qlandef tag qwandef
                            
                            anchor "ftpsesame/*" 
                            anchor "firewallrules"
                            
                            # loopback
                            anchor "loopback"
                            pass in quick on $loopback all label "pass loopback"
                            pass out quick on $loopback all label "pass loopback"
                            
                            # package manager early specific hook
                            anchor "packageearly"
                            
                            # carp
                            anchor "carp"
                            # enable ftp-proxy
                            
                            anchor "ftpproxy"
                            anchor "pftpx/*"
                            pass in quick on xl0 inet proto tcp from any to $loopback port 8021 keep state label "FTP PROXY: Allow traffic to localhost"
                            pass in quick on xl0 inet proto tcp from any to $loopback port 21 keep state label "FTP PROXY: Allow traffic to localhost"
                            pass in quick on rl0 inet proto tcp from port 20 to (rl0) port > 49000 user proxy flags S/SA keep state label "FTP PROXY: PASV mode data connection"
                            
                            # allow access to DHCP server on LAN
                            anchor "dhcpserverlan"
                            pass in quick on $lan proto udp from any port = 68 to 255.255.255.255 port = 67 label "allow access to DHCP server on LAN"
                            pass in quick on $lan proto udp from any port = 68 to 10.62.0.3 port = 67 label "allow access to DHCP server on LAN"
                            pass out quick on $lan proto udp from 10.62.0.3 port = 67 to any port = 68 label "allow access to DHCP server on LAN"
                            
                            pass in quick on $wan proto udp from any port = 67 to any port = 68 label "allow dhcp client out wan"
                            
                            # LAN/OPT spoof check (needs to be after DHCP because of broadcast addresses)
                            antispoof for xl0
                            # Support for allow limiting of TCP connections by establishment rate
                            anchor "limitingesr"
                            table <virusprot>block in quick from <virusprot>to any label "virusprot overload table"
                            # pass traffic from firewall -> out
                            anchor "firewallout"
                            pass out quick on rl0 all keep state tagged qwandef queue (qwandef, qwanacks) label "let out anything from firewall host itself"
                            pass out quick on rl0 all keep state tagged qRdpUp queue (qRdpUp, qwanacks) label "let out anything from firewall host itself"
                            pass out quick on rl0 all keep state tagged qOthersUpH queue (qOthersUpH, qwanacks) label "let out anything from firewall host itself"
                            pass out quick on rl0 all keep state tagged qwebUp queue (qwebUp, qwanacks) label "let out anything from firewall host itself"
                            pass out quick on rl0 all keep state queue (qwandef, qwanacks) label "let out anything from firewall host itself"
                            pass out quick on xl0 all keep state tagged qlandef queue (qlandef, qlanacks) label "let out anything from firewall host itself"
                            pass out quick on xl0 all keep state tagged qRdpDown queue (qRdpDown, qlanacks) label "let out anything from firewall host itself"
                            pass out quick on xl0 all keep state tagged qOthersDownH queue (qOthersDownH, qlanacks) label "let out anything from firewall host itself"
                            pass out quick on xl0 all keep state tagged qwebDown queue (qwebDown, qlanacks) label "let out anything from firewall host itself"
                            pass out quick on xl0 all keep state queue (qlandef, qlanacks) label "let out anything from firewall host itself"
                            pass out quick on bridge0 all keep state label "let out anything from firewall host itself"
                            
                            # make sure the user cannot lock himself out of the webGUI or SSH
                            anchor "anti-lockout"
                            pass in quick from 10.62.0.0/24 to 10.62.0.3 keep state label "anti-lockout web rule"
                            
                            # SSH lockout
                            block in log proto tcp from <sshlockout>to any port 22 label "sshlockout"
                            
                            # User-defined rules follow
                            # Anchors for rules that might be matched by queues
                            anchor qwanRoot tagged qwanRoot
                            anchor qlanRoot tagged qlanRoot
                            anchor qwandef tagged qwandef
                            anchor qlandef tagged qlandef
                            anchor qwanacks tagged qwanacks
                            anchor qlanacks tagged qlanacks
                            anchor qRdpUp tagged qRdpUp
                            anchor qRdpDown tagged qRdpDown
                            anchor qOthersUpH tagged qOthersUpH
                            anchor qOthersDownH tagged qOthersDownH
                            anchor qOthersUpL tagged qOthersUpL
                            anchor qOthersDownL tagged qOthersDownL
                            anchor qwebUp tagged qwebUp
                            anchor qwebDown tagged qwebDown
                            pass in log quick on $wan from any to any keep state  queue (qwandef, qwanacks)  label "USER_RULE: Default Wan -> any" 
                            pass in log quick on $lan from any to any keep state  queue (qlandef, qlanacks)  label "USER_RULE: Default LAN -> any" 
                            pass quick proto carp keep state
                            pass quick proto pfsync
                            # VPN Rules
                            
                            #---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            # default rules (just to be sure)
                            #---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            block in log quick all label "Default block all just to be sure."
                            block out log quick all label "Default block all just to be sure."</sshlockout></virusprot></virusprot></spamd-white></spamd></blacklist></spamd-white></spamd></blacklist></whitelist></sshlockout> 
                            

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                              darrendavid
                              last edited by

                              hey-

                              same issue here. I want to see if a cvs_sync fixes it, but I'm on a soekris and / is mounted read-only… and of course i can't edit /etc/fstab because, well, / is mounted read-only. what's the trick for cvs_sync'ing on a WRAP box?

                              thanks,
                              darren

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                                sullrich
                                last edited by

                                @darrendavid:

                                hey-

                                same issue here. I want to see if a cvs_sync fixes it, but I'm on a soekris and / is mounted read-only… and of course i can't edit /etc/fstab because, well, / is mounted read-only. what's the trick for cvs_sync'ing on a WRAP box?

                                thanks,
                                darren

                                There is no trick.  This does not work with Embedded platforms.

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                                  darrendavid
                                  last edited by

                                  i /knew/ you were going to say that.  ;)

                                  can you point me to the docs for building my own from cvs, if there are any?

                                  thanks for all the work on this. it's looking grand.

                                  cheers,
                                  darren

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                                    dvserg
                                    last edited by

                                    in other forums say thet ALTQ must be configured to 2 interface (because them work only with out traffic).
                                    allike problem when one with interfaces not correctly set
                                    in my rules this correct?

                                    ps pls don't kill me - i only newbe (2 mth with nix system)  ;)

                                    ps2 after update from cvs queue status graph work very stable (1.5 hr wisout stops)

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                                      Leoandru
                                      last edited by

                                      hrm, I don't get it.. this really should be working. There were no major changes to the shaper since Beta3 and the rules look fine from here. even after looking at them many time over. I'll wait to see if the fix works for anyone else..

                                      ??? 'scratch head'

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                                        dvserg
                                        last edited by

                                        Tomorrow reupdate Beta 3 and test this config again  :-
                                        May be broken update to Beta 4 ? But any errors not view.
                                        Goodnight  ;D

                                        –-----------------------------------
                                        Good day.
                                        I do it whith Beta 3, but nothing news. Them i update Beta 4 and rebuild my bridge config new. If a take update from cvs - them continuing testing with Beta4.


                                        Good day 2
                                        Yesss !!! BRIDGE!!!
                                        If i setup in LAN any dummy address - not WAN - my shaping get circus (bear's show)
                                        I set LAN IP = WAN IP and mask LAN IP = 32 (what recomended Hoba in Firewall topic)
                                        And my queue blinking all!!
                                        I must begin full testing.
                                        Write any result after this.
                                        Bye

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                                          hoba
                                          last edited by

                                          Trafficshaper won't work in a bridge configuration. This is a limitation.

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                                            dvserg
                                            last edited by

                                            This is interested post about ALTQ & bridge (only this about openBSD).
                                            http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/~kjc/altq-ml-2002/msg00551.html

                                            Theme "ALTQ and bridge" - dont have wide information in Inet. I looking very mach questions, but little answers  :'(
                                            Can this url help for you project?

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