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Successful Install on Watchguard Firebox X700!

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    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
    last edited by Feb 19, 2011, 7:07 PM Feb 19, 2011, 4:28 PM

    X-Core owners!

    I need at least one person to test my arm/disarm led program as I don't have an X-Core box.
    I have attached the program to a post in the arm/disarm thread here.
    Obviously, since I can't test it, you shouldn't be running this on a production box that you can't afford to reboot. Since it is based on some fairly extensive testing by iFloris I'm confident it will work but who knows!  :P
    Any feedback would be good.

    Steve

    Edit: Has now been tested and confirmed working.

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      ng12345
      last edited by Feb 20, 2011, 3:01 PM

      @iFloris:

      @ng12345:

      I searched the thread for quiet fans, and the one link posted for overclockers UK does not work; does anyone have any model numbers for quiet fans? I'd rather not make holes in the box, so would prefer fans that fit the current formation

      For my each of my fireboxes I used three Scythe 40 mm Fan Mini Kaze fans (SY124010L) as replacements for the three fans in the back and a larger Papst 60 mm Fan (612FL) as the cpu cooler.
      The Scythes have a different connector, so I had to reuse the original firebox cables.
      The Papst really isn't meant to be used the way I'm using them, but I cut out a part in the side of the fan, in effect creating the same airflow as the original firebox cpu fan.
      Also, the circumference of the Papst is 5 mm larger than the original fan, which actually helps circulation.

      Both my fireboxes have been functioning for about six months while being cooled in this fashion with no problems even under somewhat heavy load.
      dB pressure per firebox has gone from ±71.3 to ±44.2 after replacing the fans.

      Thanks just ordered the scythe fans and we'll see how that turns out.

      Where did you cut/mod your Papst fan?
      Anyone else using a fan without mods for the cpu?

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        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
        last edited by Feb 20, 2011, 4:48 PM

        The 1.2GHz Celeron is about 30W maximum power dissipation is this right?
        That's not much more than the processor in the X-e box and nowhere near the 68W on the processor in the X-Peak, both of those have a ducted cooling solution with no fan directly on the cpu.
        Might it not be possible to use something similar here?
        Maybe even consider a heatpipe arrangement to move hot air directly to the back. Perhaps something from an old laptop?

        Steve

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          Delirius
          last edited by Feb 25, 2011, 2:30 PM

          Sigh… the problem with watchdog timeouts is still there with pfsense beta 2.0.
          I'm pretty sure that there's a problem with the driver for realtek nics not pfsense itself.
          I'm seriously thinking about replacing my firebox with someone else, but I'm not sure what else there is to run for the same amount of investment.

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            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
            last edited by Feb 25, 2011, 3:03 PM

            A different firebox?  ;)

            The X-Peak or X-Edge boxes don't have Realtek NICs.

            The X-Peak actually has all Intel NICs, and three of them are GigE, if you can find one.

            It was reported a few pages back that the timeouts were no longer a problem. What is your setup?

            Steve

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              Delirius
              last edited by Feb 27, 2011, 6:50 PM

              I'm running latest beta, configured as a OpenVPN server.
              I get watchdog timeouts when connected to the firebox by VPN on a client.
              I can ping, do some small surfing, but immediatly when there's some more intensive traffic there's watchdog timeouts.
              I've read quite a few threads about the watchdog timeout problem, and some thread said something about different MTU-sizes.
              OpenVPN set a MTU-size for the tunnel itself, might be that problem. I tried to set it different sizes, but I would always get watchdog timeouts when running VPN.

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                jdetmold
                last edited by Mar 2, 2011, 12:06 AM Mar 1, 2011, 11:15 PM

                just noticed when updating to rc1 that it now says on the dashboard

                "Hardware crypto    SafeNet SafeXcel-1141 rng des/3des aes md5 sha1 null"

                does that mean the safenet card now works?

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                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                  last edited by Mar 2, 2011, 3:00 AM Mar 2, 2011, 2:54 AM

                  It has always been supported as far as I know.
                  Just that now it is reported.

                  Steve

                  Edit: For a long while anyway! And I should say support for the card hasn't changed, there are many reports of people failing to make it work in this thread but technically everything needed is there.

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                    jdetmold
                    last edited by Mar 2, 2011, 4:47 AM

                    does something need to be done to make it work?

                    @stephenw10:

                    It has always been supported as far as I know.
                    Just that now it is reported.

                    Steve

                    Edit: For a long while anyway! And I should say support for the card hasn't changed, there are many reports of people failing to make it work in this thread but technically everything needed is there.

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                      Tele
                      last edited by Mar 2, 2011, 9:45 AM

                      For the users with timeout errors, does it make any sense to switch to the RL driver instead of the RE driver?

                      See: http://groups.google.com/group/muc.lists.freebsd.bugs/browse_thread/thread/ba509d216f6b30e6/e84e76306f6c6249?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=freebsd+watchdog+timeout+re0#e84e76306f6c6249

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                        Delirius
                        last edited by Mar 2, 2011, 10:01 AM

                        @Tele:

                        For the users with timeout errors, does it make any sense to switch to the RL driver instead of the RE driver?

                        See: http://groups.google.com/group/muc.lists.freebsd.bugs/browse_thread/thread/ba509d216f6b30e6/e84e76306f6c6249?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=freebsd+watchdog+timeout+re0#e84e76306f6c6249

                        That thread is from 2005. As I recall the problem was not solved 2009/2010 and at that point the developer for the driver was involved.
                        There should be a thread here on the forums.

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                          ng12345
                          last edited by Mar 6, 2011, 5:25 PM

                          @stephenw10:

                          The 1.2GHz Celeron is about 30W maximum power dissipation is this right?
                          That's not much more than the processor in the X-e box and nowhere near the 68W on the processor in the X-Peak, both of those have a ducted cooling solution with no fan directly on the cpu.
                          Might it not be possible to use something similar here?
                          Maybe even consider a heatpipe arrangement to move hot air directly to the back. Perhaps something from an old laptop?

                          Steve

                          appreciate the suggestion but probably a little too mod heavy for me

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                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                            last edited by Mar 6, 2011, 5:42 PM

                            @ng12345:

                            appreciate the suggestion but probably a little too mod heavy for me

                            Bah, Wimp!  :P  :D

                            Steve

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                              ng12345
                              last edited by Mar 15, 2011, 3:46 AM

                              hah; thanks

                              i ended up buying 126010DL cooljag fans (60x60x10mm) rated at 20db, split the housing of the cpu fans that were on ther and stuck that on top of the cooling fan, essentially creating a quiet cpu fan with a side vent.

                              quiet and cool now!

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                                patrick1140
                                last edited by Mar 15, 2011, 5:43 PM

                                Hello,

                                I've 2 Watchguard x1250e in stock and it's also for me a good way to recycle them :-)

                                Have you more information for pinout's (keyboard, usb …) ?

                                Have a nice day,

                                Patrick

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                                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                  last edited by Mar 15, 2011, 7:25 PM

                                  There's a huge amount of information about this platform in this thread.
                                  It's the same hardware in the x550e, x750e and x1250e.

                                  Just ask in that thread if you have any questions.

                                  Steve

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                                    Sleeps
                                    last edited by Mar 21, 2011, 4:13 PM

                                    Finally received my FB X700 and installed ver 1.2.3 on a 4GB flash card.  Just have to configure it so it mirrors the PC and replace the fans with Mini-Kaze (SY124010L) fans and the cpu fan (Fractal design 50mm), should be up and running in the next couple of days.

                                    Another happy user

                                    Sleeps

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                                      jdetmold
                                      last edited by Mar 22, 2011, 12:22 AM

                                      @Sleeps:

                                      Finally received my FB X700 and installed ver 1.2.3 on a 4GB flash card.  Just have to configure it so it mirrors the PC and replace the fans with Mini-Kaze (SY124010L) fans and the cpu fan (Fractal design 50mm), should be up and running in the next couple of days.

                                      Another happy user

                                      Sleeps

                                      glad to hear it's working out for you why not 2.0?

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                                        Sleeps
                                        last edited by Mar 28, 2011, 12:41 PM Mar 24, 2011, 12:43 PM

                                        @jdetmold:

                                        @Sleeps:

                                        Finally received my FB X700 and installed ver 1.2.3 on a 4GB flash card.  Just have to configure it so it mirrors the PC and replace the fans with Mini-Kaze (SY124010L) fans and the cpu fan (Fractal design 50mm), should be up and running in the next couple of days.

                                        Another happy user

                                        Sleeps

                                        glad to hear it's working out for you why not 2.0?

                                        Replaced all fans and very silent.  However I have one concern not sure if I installed the Processor fan correctly (Should the label be facing up or down?) Will try 2.0 just waiting for hard drive to arrive from ebay.

                                        Sleeps

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                                          jdetmold
                                          last edited by Mar 28, 2011, 8:24 PM

                                          when i installed that fan i had it push air towards the cpu. i also reversed my rear fans to push air in. but i tried both ways and both work ok.

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