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    • J
      jilingshu
      last edited by

      @databeestje:

      did you make sure to restart the dnsmasq process? I think it is shown on the services menu. You can also flush the DNS on windows with ipconfig /flushdns.

      Google has stated explicitly that these will not respond with ipv6 addresses. I do believe that they are working with OpenDNS servers, but i am not sure.

      I have not only restarted the dnsmasq service, but also restarted my computer, nothing changed.
      :-(

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      • jimpJ
        jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
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        I think you're hitting a limit of the old nslookup code. Use host and/or dig.

        (All of these answers were obtained from my DNS forwarder on pfSense, from a client behind. DNS servers configured are also 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4/he.net's v6 server)

        
        $ host www.google.com
        www.google.com is an alias for www.l.google.com.
        www.l.google.com has address 74.125.73.103
        www.l.google.com has address 74.125.73.99
        www.l.google.com has address 74.125.73.147
        www.l.google.com has address 74.125.73.106
        www.l.google.com has address 74.125.73.105
        www.l.google.com has address 74.125.73.104
        www.l.google.com has IPv6 address 2607:f8b0:4001:c01::93
        $ host -t aaaa www.google.com
        www.google.com is an alias for www.l.google.com.
        www.l.google.com has IPv6 address 2607:f8b0:4001:c01::93
        

        But if I try with nslookup:

        $ nslookup -type=aaaa www.google.com
        Server:         192.168.20.1
        Address:        192.168.20.1#53
        
        Non-authoritative answer:
        www.google.com  canonical name = www.l.google.com.
        
        Authoritative answers can be found from:
        

        And with dig

        $ dig www.google.com
        
        ; <<>> DiG 9.6.3 <<>> www.google.com
        ;; global options: +cmd
        ;; Got answer:
        ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 12821
        ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 7, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
        
        ;; QUESTION SECTION:
        ;www.google.com.                        IN      A
        
        ;; ANSWER SECTION:
        www.google.com.         85265   IN      CNAME   www.l.google.com.
        www.l.google.com.       20      IN      A       74.125.73.99
        www.l.google.com.       20      IN      A       74.125.73.147
        www.l.google.com.       20      IN      A       74.125.73.106
        www.l.google.com.       20      IN      A       74.125.73.105
        www.l.google.com.       20      IN      A       74.125.73.104
        www.l.google.com.       20      IN      A       74.125.73.103
        $ dig aaaa www.google.com
        
        ; <<>> DiG 9.6.3 <<>> aaaa www.google.com
        ;; global options: +cmd
        ;; Got answer:
        ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 57168
        ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
        
        ;; QUESTION SECTION:
        ;www.google.com.                        IN      AAAA
        
        ;; ANSWER SECTION:
        www.google.com.         86353   IN      CNAME   www.l.google.com.
        www.l.google.com.       31      IN      AAAA    2607:f8b0:4001:c01::93
        
        

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        • johnpozJ
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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          not sure what meant by limitation of old nslookup code?

          from my pfsense box

          [2.1-DEVELOPMENT][admin@pfsense.local.lan]/root(9): nslookup

          server 2001:470:20::2
          Default server: 2001:470:20::2
          Address: 2001:470:20::2#53
          set type=AAAA
          www.google.com
          Server:        2001:470:20::2
          Address:        2001:470:20::2#53

          Non-authoritative answer:
          www.google.com  canonical name = www.l.google.com.
          www.l.google.com        has AAAA address 2607:f8b0:4001:c01::93

          Authoritative answers can be found from:

          Clearly if I ask a nameserver that is on the whitelist for google, ie he.net dns - then it returns the AAAA just fine.

          Now I run unbound as my resolver on pfsense, and no AAAA is not returned

          [2.1-DEVELOPMENT][admin@pfsense.local.lan]/root(10): nslookup

          set type=AAAA
          www.google.com
          Server:        127.0.0.1
          Address:        127.0.0.1#53

          Non-authoritative answer:
          www.google.com  canonical name = www.l.google.com.

          Authoritative answers can be found from:
          l.google.com
                  origin = ns1.google.com
                  mail addr = dns-admin.google.com
                  serial = 1462047
                  refresh = 900
                  retry = 900
                  expire = 1800
                  minimum = 60

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          • jimpJ
            jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
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            I meant there may be some quirk in nslookup because last I knew it wasn't actively maintained the way dig/host were. They may "do the right thing" where nslookup may not. Does it work with host or dig?

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            • johnpozJ
              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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              no why should it?, a AAAA query is a AAAA query - why would dig or host do it different?

              The problem with his example is AAAA records are only for queries from whitelisted resolvers for www.google.com from my understanding.

              I would suggest you play with a more open domain..

              So that it would work on my network, which I really have no use for - I could care if I access www.google.com via IPv6, if I wanted to I would just resolve ipv6.google.com

              ping6 ipv6.google.com
              PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2001:470:snipped:b85::2 –> 2607:f8b0:4001:c01::63
              16 bytes from 2607:f8b0:4001:c01::63, icmp_seq=0 hlim=57 time=44.368 ms
              16 bytes from 2607:f8b0:4001:c01::63, icmp_seq=1 hlim=57 time=45.041 ms

              So as you saw my local resolver which is not on the whitelist can not resolve AAAA for www.google.com but he dns can, so if I setup a specific forwarder for that domain in unbound then it works just fine.

              [2.1-DEVELOPMENT][admin@pfsense.local.lan]/root(17): nslookup

              set querytype=AAAA
              www.google.com
              Server:        127.0.0.1
              Address:        127.0.0.1#53

              Non-authoritative answer:
              www.google.com  canonical name = www.l.google.com.
              www.l.google.com        has AAAA address 2607:f8b0:4001:c01::93

              I just setup
              forward-zone:
              name: "google.com"
              forward-addr: 2001:470:20::2

              in my unbound config

              now if I do ping6 for www.google.com it works
              ping6 www.google.com
              PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2001:470:snipped:b85::2 –> 2607:f8b0:4001:c01::93
              16 bytes from 2607:f8b0:4001:c01::93, icmp_seq=0 hlim=57 time=45.424 ms
              16 bytes from 2607:f8b0:4001:c01::93, icmp_seq=1 hlim=57 time=44.976 ms

              if I remove that forwarder, doesn't work again

              ping6 www.google.com
              ping6: Non-recoverable failure in name resolution

              nslookup

              set querytype=AAAA
              www.google.com
              Server:        127.0.0.1
              Address:        127.0.0.1#53

              Non-authoritative answer:
              www.google.com  canonical name = www.l.google.com.

              Authoritative answers can be found from:
              l.google.com
                      origin = ns2.google.com
                      mail addr = dns-admin.google.com
                      serial = 1462050
                      refresh = 900
                      retry = 900
                      expire = 1800
                      minimum = 60

              I would love to help the OP fix it whatever it is he is trying to fix, but Im a bit confused as what he wants exactly.  From my understanding you can not query www.google.com AAAA unless your on a whitelist like the he dns.  If that is what your using for your dns, then yeah www.google.com should return AAAA for you, if that is what you query for.

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              • jimpJ
                jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
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                @johnpoz:

                no why should it?, a AAAA query is a AAAA query - why would dig or host do it different?

                I only mentioned that because I saw a difference in behavior there. When I used dig/host I got a AAAA reply. When I used nslookup I did not. Plus I've been hearing for years that nslookup is depreciated, and dig/host are preferred.

                It may have been luck of the draw in which of my name servers got the query back first.

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                • jimpJ
                  jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
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                  FYI-
                  http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/nslookup.html
                  http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/nslookup-flaws.html
                  http://veggiechinese.net/nslookup_sucks.txt

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                  • johnpozJ
                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                    ok not understanding what those flaws or bugs have to do with trying to do AAAA from a server that is not a on whitelist for such a query?

                    Also that first link about soa and com, not really valid

                    sure looks to be working for me

                    nslookup

                    server m.gtld-servers.net
                    Default server: m.gtld-servers.net
                    Address: 192.55.83.30#53
                    set querytype=soa
                    com.
                    Server:        m.gtld-servers.net
                    Address:        192.55.83.30#53

                    com
                            origin = a.gtld-servers.net
                            mail addr = nstld.verisign-grs.com
                            serial = 1315847841
                            refresh = 1800
                            retry = 900
                            expire = 604800
                            minimum = 86400

                    Returns same as a dig

                    dig @m.gtld-servers.net com. soa +short
                    a.gtld-servers.net. nstld.verisign-grs.com. 1315848068 1800 900 604800 86400

                    all programs have their little quirks, but a query is a query is it not.  Are you saying that nslookup does not do a standard AAAA query?

                    if I direct any query to a server that is whitelisted or query AAAA for www.google.com then it works, be it nslookup or dig

                    So if I just do a dig for www.google.com it does not respond with AAAA even if directed at he dns

                    ; <<>> DiG 9.6.2-P2 <<>> @2001:470:20::2 www.google.com
                    ; (1 server found)
                    ;; global options: +cmd
                    ;; Got answer:
                    ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 38203
                    ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 6, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

                    ;; QUESTION SECTION:
                    ;www.google.com.                        IN      A

                    ;; ANSWER SECTION:
                    www.google.com.        86337  IN      CNAME  www.l.google.com.
                    www.l.google.com.      293    IN      A      74.125.225.82
                    www.l.google.com.      293    IN      A      74.125.225.81
                    www.l.google.com.      293    IN      A      74.125.225.80
                    www.l.google.com.      293    IN      A      74.125.225.84
                    www.l.google.com.      293    IN      A      74.125.225.83

                    ;; Query time: 37 msec
                    ;; SERVER: 2001:470:20::2#53(2001:470:20::2)
                    ;; WHEN: Mon Sep 12 12:28:12 2011
                    ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 132

                    But if I tell it any or AAAA then sure it does

                    ; <<>> DiG 9.6.2-P2 <<>> @2001:470:20::2 www.google.com any
                    ; (1 server found)
                    ;; global options: +cmd
                    ;; Got answer:
                    ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 52243
                    ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 7, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

                    ;; QUESTION SECTION:
                    ;www.google.com.                        IN      ANY

                    ;; ANSWER SECTION:
                    www.google.com.        84639  IN      CNAME  www.l.google.com.
                    www.l.google.com.      77      IN      AAAA    2607:f8b0:4001:c01::63
                    www.l.google.com.      114    IN      A      74.125.225.84
                    www.l.google.com.      114    IN      A      74.125.225.82
                    www.l.google.com.      114    IN      A      74.125.225.81
                    www.l.google.com.      114    IN      A      74.125.225.80
                    www.l.google.com.      114    IN      A      74.125.225.83

                    ;; Query time: 45 msec
                    ;; SERVER: 2001:470:20::2#53(2001:470:20::2)
                    ;; WHEN: Mon Sep 12 12:29:19 2011
                    ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 160

                    Same goes for nslookup

                    nslookup

                    server 2001:470:20::2
                    Default server: 2001:470:20::2
                    Address: 2001:470:20::2#53
                    set querytype=any
                    www.google.com
                    Server:        2001:470:20::2
                    Address:        2001:470:20::2#53

                    Non-authoritative answer:
                    www.google.com  canonical name = www.l.google.com.
                    Name:  www.l.google.com
                    Address: 74.125.225.83
                    Name:  www.l.google.com
                    Address: 74.125.225.80
                    Name:  www.l.google.com
                    Address: 74.125.225.81
                    Name:  www.l.google.com
                    Address: 74.125.225.82
                    www.l.google.com        has AAAA address 2607:f8b0:4001:c01::69
                    Name:  www.l.google.com
                    Address: 74.125.225.84

                    I think we might of gotten off on the wrong foot??  I am just trying to figure out exactly what he wants to do, and nslookup works just fine for doing a Any or AAAA query for www.google.com - as long as you query a server that is on the whitelist and can query for it and get a response.

                    That being said its not my tool of choice either, I like dig much better!  But a query is a query, any tool should send a standard query when asked to do so.  If it does not follow the standards of the protocol for doing a query, its not going to get many answers at all.

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                    • jimpJ
                      jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                      last edited by

                      @johnpoz:

                      ok not understanding what those flaws or bugs have to do with trying to do AAAA from a server that is not a on whitelist for such a query?
                      […]
                      I think we might of gotten off on the wrong foot??  I am just trying to figure out exactly what he wants to do, and nslookup works just fine for doing a Any or AAAA query for www.google.com - as long as you query a server that is on the whitelist and can query for it and get a response.

                      That being said its not my tool of choice either, I like dig much better!  But a query is a query, any tool should send a standard query when asked to do so.  If it does not follow the standards of the protocol for doing a query, its not going to get many answers at all.

                      I didn't say it had anything to do with that - I just observed differing behavior and knew nslookup to have flaws, and suggested another tool to better diagnose the issue.

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                      • J
                        jilingshu
                        last edited by

                        hi,
                        I am running nslookup under Windows and I also tried "ping6", so I don't think this problem is caused by "nslookup". Only if I removed 8.8.8.8 from the DNS list it would never return me a AAAA record.
                        Without 8.8.8.8

                        C:\Users\Bear>ping -6 google.com

                        Pinging google.com [2001:4860:4001:803::1014] with 32 bytes of data:
                        Reply from 2001:4860:4001:803::1014: time=527ms
                        Reply from 2001:4860:4001:803::1014: time=525ms
                        Reply from 2001:4860:4001:803::1014: time=532ms
                        Reply from 2001:4860:4001:803::1014: time=552ms

                        Ping statistics for 2001:4860:4001:803::1014:
                            Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
                        Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
                            Minimum = 525ms, Maximum = 552ms, Average = 534ms

                        C:\Users\Bear>

                        After added 8.8.8.8 to DNS list:

                        C:\Users\Bear>ping -6 google.com
                        Ping request could not find host google.com. Please check the name and try again
                        .

                        C:\Users\Bear>

                        I also ping all DNS servers and tried to get the latency:

                        C:\Users\Bear>ping 8.8.8.8

                        Pinging 8.8.8.8 with 32 bytes of data:
                        Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=51
                        Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=21ms TTL=51
                        Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=51
                        Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=51

                        Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
                            Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
                        Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
                            Minimum = 16ms, Maximum = 24ms, Average = 19ms

                        C:\Users\Bear>ping 74.82.42.42

                        Pinging 74.82.42.42 with 32 bytes of data:
                        Request timed out.
                        Reply from 74.82.42.42: bytes=32 time=220ms TTL=53
                        Request timed out.
                        Request timed out.

                        Ping statistics for 74.82.42.42:
                            Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 1, Lost = 3 (75% loss),
                        Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
                            Minimum = 220ms, Maximum = 220ms, Average = 220ms

                        C:\Users\Bear>ping 74.82.42.42

                        Pinging 74.82.42.42 with 32 bytes of data:
                        Request timed out.
                        Reply from 74.82.42.42: bytes=32 time=229ms TTL=53
                        Request timed out.
                        Reply from 74.82.42.42: bytes=32 time=206ms TTL=53

                        Ping statistics for 74.82.42.42:
                            Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 2, Lost = 2 (50% loss),
                        Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
                            Minimum = 206ms, Maximum = 229ms, Average = 217ms

                        C:\Users\Bear>ping 2001:470:20::2

                        Pinging 2001:470:20::2 with 32 bytes of data:
                        Reply from 2001:470:20::2: time=353ms
                        Reply from 2001:470:20::2: time=365ms
                        Reply from 2001:470:20::2: time=361ms
                        Reply from 2001:470:20::2: time=356ms

                        Ping statistics for 2001:470:20::2:
                            Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
                        Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
                            Minimum = 353ms, Maximum = 365ms, Average = 358ms

                        C:\Users\Bear>

                        As you can see, 8.8.8.8 is the fastest DNS server here. So I think pfSense would return 8.8.8.8 response to clients, and 8.8.8.8 would never return a AAAA record. There is still another problem: more than half of the ICMP packets sent to 74.82.42.42 are lost. I have no idea why this happened.

                        BTW: I am in China mainland and I believe the so called Great-Firewall-of-China would return some faked DNS responses to me to block me from resolving some domains such as twitter.com, facebook.com, youtube.com and so on. GFW would return me a faked DNS response with a random(maybe?) A record and this response arrived to my computer before the true response. But GFW took no action on IPv6, so only a DNS with a IPv6 address is trustworthy. So I wanna pfSense prefer IPv6 DNS than IPv4 DNS server.

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                        • johnpozJ
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                          8.8.8.8 is not on the whitelist to return AAAA for google.com, so no its not going to work if your using 8.8.8.8 as your recursive server, ie you ask it to resolve www.google.com for you.

                          simple enough to test.

                          ;; QUESTION SECTION:
                          ;www.l.google.com.              IN      AAAA

                          ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
                          l.google.com.          600    IN      SOA    ns3.google.com. dns-admin.google.com. 1462338 900 900 1800 60

                          ;; Query time: 69 msec
                          ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)

                          Just leave the HE dns as your only forwarders and your fine.

                          as to why icmp is lost to a dns server, icmp is first thing dropped if busy.. Just because a server does not respond to icmp does not mean your having actual packet loss.  Also could be just response time for your location for he dns is exceeding the timeout, have you tried pinging with a larger timeout?

                          –- 74.82.42.42 ping statistics ---
                          31 packets transmitted, 31 received, 0% packet loss, time 30188ms
                          rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 10.448/14.427/45.133/7.284 ms

                          i am not showing any loss, but your response time is quite high.  Yes the he dns is anycasted, but where are they in the world? From the faq here are the currently locations from where google dns does its queries

                          http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/faq.html#locations

                          If you want to only use dns via your ipv6 tunnel, then just use the he dns ipv6 address for your dns server 2001:470:20::2

                          If that is the only dns server you put in for your forwarder you should be golden, you can resolve google.com to its ipv6 and if you say the china firewall does not mess with traffic inside your ipv6 tunnel you should be able to resolve anything that way.

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                          • J
                            jilingshu
                            last edited by

                            @johnpoz:

                            If you want to only use dns via your ipv6 tunnel, then just use the he dns ipv6 address for your dns server 2001:470:20::2

                            If that is the only dns server you put in for your forwarder you should be golden, you can resolve google.com to its ipv6 and if you say the china firewall does not mess with traffic inside your ipv6 tunnel you should be able to resolve anything that way.

                            hi,
                            Just leave IPv6 DNS server in the DNS list is impossible. For I am a dynamic IP user and I use HE.net tunnel broker to establish a IPv6 tunnel, I have to update my tunnel endpoint at first. Without a IPv4 DNS server, this is impossible to complete.  :(

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                            • johnpozJ
                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                              How is that??  You create the tunnel with an IP!  dns has nothing to do with establishing the tunnel.

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                              • jimpJ
                                jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
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                                @johnpoz:

                                How is that??  You create the tunnel with an IP!  dns has nothing to do with establishing the tunnel.

                                If your IP changes you have to look up ipv4.tunnelbroker.net and push an update to their server that reconnects the IPv6 tunnel. Until your IPv6 tunnel comes back up you cannot reach an IPv6 DNS server. Chicken-and-egg problem.

                                Anyone tried using unbound and letting it talk to the roots? Does that work around this?

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                                • johnpozJ
                                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                  I use unbound to talk to roots, but it is not on the whitelist.

                                  If your IP is changing that often, and you need to change your IP on ipv4.tunnelbroker.net – how about just putting in a HOST entry for that??

                                  You sure an the hell do not need dns to resolve 1 host.  What now your going to say the ip for ipv4.tunnelbroker.net is changing? ;)

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                                    databeestje
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                                    the resolvers at work direct queries to the root servers and that won't work. Unless the server that talks to the root is on the whitelist it's a no-go.

                                    I have a forwarder statement for bind at work so that it uses the HE server for facebook, google etc.

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