My pfSense keeps breaking (novel inside…)

cmb

You need to set a default gateway even if you're policy routing your egress traffic. And uncheck the default gateway switching.

What type of WANs?

soteriologist

I just rechecked to have just that default DSL line checked as the "Default Gateway" and unchecked "Allow default gateway switching" under "System >> Advanced >> Miscellaneous >> Load Balancing".
Still no ping response beyond the router/modem it's plugged into.
Stil no internet connection.
Still nothing in state/firewall logs.

Re-ran traceroute and this is what I have now:

netstat -rn -f inet; traceroute -n 8.8.8.8

Routing tables

Internet:
Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire
default 192.168.2.2 US 0 51 em2
127.0.0.1 link#12 UH 0 3524 lo0
192.168.2.0/24 link#7 U 0 19094 em2
192.168.2.2 link#7 UHS 0 0 lo0
192.168.168.0/24 link#5 U 0 341 em0
192.168.168.1 link#5 UHS 0 0 lo0
traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets

soteriologist

The three WANs that I have are:
One DSL connection through a Verizon router/modem
One T1 through an AdTran DSU/CSU
One T1 through a Cisco DSU/CSU

AT THE MOMENT I'm ONLY using the DSL for testing. Just to simplify things and because the entire company is actively using the two T1s at office. But when I had everything plugged in during off hours, they were all working fine until… well... everything stopped working. So I had to put everything back they way I had it in the very late hours of the night before everyone came back in the next day and BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD!

wallabybob

@soteriologist:

Re-ran traceroute and this is what I have now:

Your traceroute output is incomplete.

soteriologist

@wallabybob:

@soteriologist:

Re-ran traceroute and this is what I have now:

Your traceroute output is incomplete.

Ya… just realized that I hadn't copied everything, SORRY!

Here we go:

netstat -rn -f inet; t raceroute -n 8.8.8.8
Routing tables

Internet:
Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire
default 192.168.2.2 US 0 201 em2
127.0.0.1 link#12 UH 0 3568 lo0
192.168.2.0/24 link#7 U 0 22223 em2
192.168.2.2 link#7 UHS 0 0 lo0
192.168.168.0/24 link#5 U 0 341 em0
192.168.168.1 link#5 UHS 0 0 lo0
traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 * * *
2 * *traceroute: sendto: Host is down
traceroute: wrote 8.8.8.8 52 chars, ret=-1
*
traceroute: sendto: Host is down
3 traceroute: wrote 8.8.8.8 52 chars, ret=-1
*traceroute: sendto: Host is down
traceroute: wrote 8.8.8.8 52 chars, ret=-1
*traceroute: sendto: Host is down
traceroute: wrote 8.8.8.8 52 chars, ret=-1
*
traceroute: sendto: Host is down
4 traceroute: wrote 8.8.8.8 52 chars, ret=-1
*traceroute: sendto: Host is down
traceroute: wrote 8.8.8.8 52 chars, ret=-1
*traceroute: sendto: Host is down
traceroute: wrote 8.8.8.8 52 chars, ret=-1
*
traceroute: sendto: Host is down
5 traceroute: wrote 8.8.8.8 52 chars, ret=-1
*traceroute: sendto: Host is down
traceroute: wrote 8.8.8.8 52 chars, ret=-1
*traceroute: sendto: Host is down
traceroute: wrote 8.8.8.8 52 chars, ret=-1
*
traceroute: sendto: Host is down
6 traceroute: wrote 8.8.8.8 52 chars, ret=-1
*traceroute: sendto: Host is down
traceroute: wrote 8.8.8.8 52 chars, ret=-1
*traceroute: sendto: Host is down
traceroute: wrote 8.8.8.8 52 chars, ret=-1
*
traceroute: sendto: Host is down
7 traceroute: wrote 8.8.8.8 52 chars, ret=-1
^C

wallabybob

@soteriologist:

traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 * * *
2 * *traceroute: sendto: Host is down
traceroute: wrote 8.8.8.8 52 chars, ret=-1
*
traceroute: sendto: Host is down

1 looks like your DSL router doesn't reply to the traceroute probes - that's allowed
2 "Host is down" suggests the DSL router's WAN link is down or for some other reason (also lost its default route?) it doesn't know where to forward the traceroute probes.

soteriologist

I'm posting this connected through the DSL router. So I know for a fact the router is working great.

Here's traceroute from my laptop attached to one of the other ports on the DSL router:

C:\Users\Administrator>tracert 8.8.8.8

Tracing route to google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.2.1
2 45 ms 45 ms 43 ms 10.39.5.1
3 50 ms 50 ms 49 ms at-3-2-0-1715.LAX01-CORE-RTR2.verizon-gni.net [1
30.81.194.2]
4 50 ms 51 ms 125 ms so-1-1-1-0.LAX01-BB-RTR2.verizon-gni.net [130.81
.16.130]
5 54 ms 51 ms 51 ms 0.so-6-0-0.XT2.LAX9.ALTER.NET [152.63.10.157]
6 122 ms 121 ms 121 ms 0.so-1-0-0.XT2.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.64.126]
7 128 ms 133 ms 137 ms TenGigE0-7-0-0.GW8.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.22.45]

8 128 ms 127 ms 129 ms Internet-gw.customer.alter.net [152.179.72.66]
9 128 ms 129 ms 129 ms 72.14.238.232
10 122 ms 119 ms 133 ms 209.85.252.2
11 131 ms 132 ms 130 ms 72.14.239.93
12 126 ms 127 ms 129 ms 72.14.236.200
13 142 ms 143 ms 129 ms 216.239.49.145
14 129 ms 129 ms 128 ms google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8]

Trace complete.

chpalmer

Can you show a picture of your WAN interface configuration page? The one connected to your DSL modem??

soteriologist

Here are printscreens of both my Interface and Gateway setup for the WAN.

GatewaySetup.png_thumb

WAN.png_thumb

cmb

Your gateway cannot be the same as the IP on its own interface.

soteriologist

SORRY ABOUT THAT! Slight oversight the last time I reset to defaults. >_<

I've set it to the proper 192.168.2.1 now. (which it always has been except for the very last time I was setting it back up in a hurry and didn't pay attention). =/

Ok, so with that properly in place this is the situation:

Still can't get a connection THROUGH pfSense. (even though it seems to be FULLY communicating over both the WAN port and the LAN port).

When I run a traceroute from PFSENSE this is what I get:

netstat -rn -f inet; traceroute -n 8.8.8.8
Routing tables

Internet:
Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire
default 192.168.2.1 UGS 0 19379 em2
4.2.2.2 192.168.2.2 UHS 0 14429 em2
10.39.5.1 192.168.2.1 UGHS 0 172195 em2
127.0.0.1 link#12 UH 0 10979 lo0
192.168.2.0/24 link#7 U 0 1989 em2
192.168.2.2 link#7 UHS 0 0 lo0
192.168.168.0/24 link#5 U 0 18742 em0
192.168.168.1 link#5 UHS 0 0 lo0
traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 192.168.2.1 1.178 ms 0.298 ms 0.274 ms
2 10.39.5.1 41.901 ms 40.120 ms 39.915 ms
3 130.81.194.2 48.084 ms 48.009 ms 47.786 ms
4 130.81.16.130 52.014 ms 47.993 ms 48.036 ms
5 152.63.112.49 48.072 ms 48.021 ms 48.001 ms
6 152.63.64.126 113.913 ms 113.986 ms 114.065 ms
7 152.63.21.125 125.921 ms
152.63.16.125 134.030 ms
152.63.21.65 116.058 ms
8 152.179.72.66 127.841 ms 126.109 ms 127.908 ms
9 209.85.255.68 114.056 ms 116.028 ms
72.14.232.244 118.041 ms
10 209.85.251.37 127.852 ms
209.85.252.2 130.120 ms 130.018 ms
11 72.14.239.93 127.940 ms 128.042 ms 127.902 ms
12 72.14.236.200 126.165 ms 123.836 ms 125.851 ms
13 216.239.49.145 126.229 ms 125.828 ms 125.908 ms
14 8.8.8.8 124.284 ms 125.769 ms 128.827 ms

When I run a ping from pfSense this is what I get:

Ping output:
PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) from 192.168.2.2: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=0 ttl=54 time=125.634 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=124.157 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=2 ttl=54 time=125.198 ms

–- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 124.157/124.996/125.634/0.620 ms

But when I run a traceroute from my COMPTUER I get:
C:\Users\Administrator>tracert 8.8.8.8

Tracing route to 8.8.8.8 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.168.1
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 * ^C

I also can't ping, or make any other connection to the outside world.

And AGAIN still not showing ANY states or ANYTHING in the firewall logs (even with logging turned on for the default rule. It won't even show what it's NOT blocking. It's just empty as always.)

soteriologist

Ok, so check this out as well…

I'm connect to the LAN port, so I'm testing pings on my laptop THROUGH pfSense and this is what I get:

C:\Users\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.1

Pinging 192.168.2.1 with 32 bytes of data:
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 192.168.2.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),

C:\Users\Administrator>ping 192.168.2.2

Pinging 192.168.2.2 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.2.2: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.2.2: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.2.2: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.2.2: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.2.2:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

C:\Users\Administrator>ping 192.168.168.1

Pinging 192.168.168.1 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.168.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.168.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.168.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.168.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.168.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

C:\Users\Administrator>ping 8.8.8.8

Pinging 8.8.8.8 with 32 bytes of data:
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),

So it'll respond to a ping on the port I'm directly connected to AND pass the ping along to the WAN interface, BUT it won't let anything past it. =/

chpalmer

I skimmed your posts but didn't see so hope this isn't redundant…

What do your outbound LAN rules and outbound port rules look like?

soteriologist

They're the factory defaults for right now. Since I've reset everything.

The ONLY thing I've changed on the rules is that I turned logging on for the "Default allow LAN to any rule".

Attached are some printscreens.

LAN.png_thumb

Floating.png_thumb

WAN.png_thumb

chpalmer

On the /firewall_nat_out.php page-

Try choosing "Manual Outbound NAT rule generation" save and see what results you get…

Assuming also that you have unchecked the last two boxes on your WAN interface page... "Block Private Networks" and "Block bogon networks" Gotta ask... ;)

soteriologist

Had just blocking of Bogons checked, so I unchecked it.

Blocking of local addresses was already UNCHECKED cause I know that with these DSL connections they're using local IPs so I wouldn't want that checked.

I turned on manual NAT out as you suggested and attached is a printscreen of what that looks like now.

I'm still having the same results.

NATOut.png_thumb

wallabybob

My next step would be to verify that (say) a ping from LAN client computer to 8.8.8.8 was getting to the pfSense LAN interface. (Packet capture on the LAN interface, displaying just traffic to selected destination.)

If you don't see the traffic in the packet capture then I would look at the IP configuration of the client: Does it have the correct IP address for its default gateway? (Should be the IP address of the pfSense LAN interface.) Does it have the correct MAC address for that IP address?

soteriologist

Packet captured pings from laptop through the LAN interface (which all came back as "Request timed out." on my laptop) and this is what the capture looks like:

16:38:32.824386 00:1b:38:62:d0:1a (oui Unknown) > 54:04:a6:f3:2b:05 (oui Unknown), ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 74: (tos 0x0, ttl 128, id 29038, offset 0, flags [none], proto ICMP (1), length 60)
192.168.168.100 > google-public-dns-a.google.com: ICMP echo request, id 1, seq 117, length 40
16:38:37.490298 00:1b:38:62:d0:1a (oui Unknown) > 54:04:a6:f3:2b:05 (oui Unknown), ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 74: (tos 0x0, ttl 128, id 29085, offset 0, flags [none], proto ICMP (1), length 60)
192.168.168.100 > google-public-dns-a.google.com: ICMP echo request, id 1, seq 118, length 40
16:38:42.490628 00:1b:38:62:d0:1a (oui Unknown) > 54:04:a6:f3:2b:05 (oui Unknown), ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 74: (tos 0x0, ttl 128, id 29122, offset 0, flags [none], proto ICMP (1), length 60)
192.168.168.100 > google-public-dns-a.google.com: ICMP echo request, id 1, seq 119, length 40
16:38:47.490840 00:1b:38:62:d0:1a (oui Unknown) > 54:04:a6:f3:2b:05 (oui Unknown), ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 74: (tos 0x0, ttl 128, id 29150, offset 0, flags [none], proto ICMP (1), length 60)
192.168.168.100 > google-public-dns-a.google.com: ICMP echo request, id 1, seq 120, length 40

As for the MAC addresses: I checked my arp tables on my laptop and all of the correct MAC addresses show as being associated with the correct IP addresses for both the WAN and LAN interfaces. So everything is good there.

wallabybob

So now with the same ping running, does a packet capture on the WAN interface show the ping leaving the pfSense box? If so, what is the source IP address?

soteriologist

Interface set to WAN, Host set to 8.8.8.8, Full detail, Reverse DNS Lookup turned OFF:

18:01:55.094629 54:04:a6:f3:2b:07 > 00:26:62:1b:09:87, ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 74: (tos 0x0, ttl 127, id 4003, offset 0, flags [none], proto ICMP (1), length 60)
192.168.168.100 > 8.8.8.8: ICMP echo request, id 1, seq 133, length 40
18:01:59.796664 54:04:a6:f3:2b:07 > 00:26:62:1b:09:87, ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 74: (tos 0x0, ttl 127, id 4006, offset 0, flags [none], proto ICMP (1), length 60)
192.168.168.100 > 8.8.8.8: ICMP echo request, id 1, seq 134, length 40
18:02:04.795955 54:04:a6:f3:2b:07 > 00:26:62:1b:09:87, ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 74: (tos 0x0, ttl 127, id 4009, offset 0, flags [none], proto ICMP (1), length 60)
192.168.168.100 > 8.8.8.8: ICMP echo request, id 1, seq 135, length 40
18:02:09.795179 54:04:a6:f3:2b:07 > 00:26:62:1b:09:87, ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 74: (tos 0x0, ttl 127, id 4013, offset 0, flags [none], proto ICMP (1), length 60)
192.168.168.100 > 8.8.8.8: ICMP echo request, id 1, seq 136, length 40

Interface set to WAN, Host set to 8.8.8.8, Full detail, Reverse DNS Lookup turned ON:

18:03:26.746456 54:04:a6:f3:2b:07 (oui Unknown) > 00:26:62:1b:09:87 (oui Unknown), ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 74: (tos 0x0, ttl 127, id 4104, offset 0, flags [none], proto ICMP (1), length 60)
192.168.168.100 > google-public-dns-a.google.com: ICMP echo request, id 1, seq 137, length 40
18:03:31.294265 54:04:a6:f3:2b:07 (oui Unknown) > 00:26:62:1b:09:87 (oui Unknown), ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 74: (tos 0x0, ttl 127, id 4109, offset 0, flags [none], proto ICMP (1), length 60)
192.168.168.100 > google-public-dns-a.google.com: ICMP echo request, id 1, seq 138, length 40
18:03:36.293619 54:04:a6:f3:2b:07 (oui Unknown) > 00:26:62:1b:09:87 (oui Unknown), ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 74: (tos 0x0, ttl 127, id 4115, offset 0, flags [none], proto ICMP (1), length 60)
192.168.168.100 > google-public-dns-a.google.com: ICMP echo request, id 1, seq 139, length 40
18:03:41.293819 54:04:a6:f3:2b:07 (oui Unknown) > 00:26:62:1b:09:87 (oui Unknown), ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 74: (tos 0x0, ttl 127, id 4118, offset 0, flags [none], proto ICMP (1), length 60)
192.168.168.100 > google-public-dns-a.google.com: ICMP echo request, id 1, seq 140, length 40

192.168.168.100 is of course my laptop's IP address (where the pings are coming from).