Firebox LCD Driver for LCDProc

drdyno

Brak,

I stumbled upon your ebay listings again today looking for a X-E box ;D

you boxes look nice.

Brak

Brak,

I stumbled upon your ebay listings again today looking for a X-E box ;D

you boxes look nice.

Thanks bud!

I'd probably sell my X-E boxes with pfsense on them, but I'm waiting for 2.1 so the driver is supported properly. So sad that 4 gigabit NICs are basically useless atm! I have 3 fully maxed upgraded ones just looking pretty in a rack :(

stephenw10

Try the patched driver. I've put a few 10s of Gigs through mine and hasn't crashed yet. Though I still haven't found a reliable way to crash it with the standard driver. ::)

Steve

flecom

how can I disable the backlight timer?

I have the backlight set to on, the brightness to 100% and the off-brightness to 100%… tried adding
BackLight=yes
Backlight_Timer=0

to the lcdd.conf and still turns off after 30 seconds or so ???

stephenw10

If you are using the most recent re-written driver there is a hard coded backlight timer which can't be disabled. Fmertz did it deliberately as the the backlight has a finite (and not that long) life and has already been run for many hours on most peoples boxes. We had a number of failure reports.

Steve

flecom

its an LED backlight… its lifetime would be about the same as the power LED?...

flecom

well anyway if anyone wants the backlight on all the time regardless of what the driver tells it to do all you have to do is put a bit of solder across J2 right next to the "K" (Cathode) land on the back of the LCD panel

it has a 100k hour MTBF (~11.5 years) so decide if you want to "risk" it

stephenw10

Which box do you have?
Some had a cold cathode style backlight with a far shorter life.

Steve

flecom

I have a firebox X500

yes a CCFL backlight will have about 1/10th the MTBF as an LED backlight…. an EL backlight even worse

interesting (strange?) that they would use a CCFL backlight LCD that is so small, usually you see that on larger graphic displays not tiny text displays?

stephenw10

I may have mis-remebered and it was in fact EL. I do remeber being both surprised and alarmed when I read the spec sheet for the display at the expected backlight life. Most of these boxes have seen thousands of hours before they ever have pfSense loaded. This may not be a problem because the Watchguard OS has a backlight timer but without any display driver pfSense will leave it on permanently.

See: http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php/topic,44034.msg234998.html#msg234998

Steve

flecom

I have worked on quite a few fireboxes (this one was my first with pfSense) and never seen one with an EL or CCFL backlight (would require an extra PCB and/or onboard inverter)… not saying they don't exist, but if they do I have never run across one...

the LED backlight on a regular text display is usually quoted as 30k-100k hours, but realistically it should last pretty much forever... if you are worried you could drop the voltage going to it by soldering a resistor across J2 to dim the display... undervolting the LEDs should extend their life

also some fireboxes like the XTM 5 series (green LED backlight) leave the backlight on 24/7

since the fireboxes have the LCD attached to the parallel port you actually could just swap the module out with a regular 2x20 HD44780 LCD, should probably fit... not sure if they are pin-compatible, would have to look at the datasheets for that...

stephenw10

Interesting about the XTM5. I have one of those running pfSense which works with the same driver as the previous boxes. I had assumed the only reason Watchguard would have specified a custom display would be to use a common driver across platforms.

IMHO there should be an option to enable the backlight permanently. Have the timer enabled by default with a warning perhaps.

However long the backlight should last there are quite a few reports of X-core boxes with dead backlights! ;)

Steve

flecom

ya like I said, it definitely could happen… I work on a lot of equipment that uses common small character displays, mostly HD44780 but some more oddball chips now and then like these fireboxes... most LED backlit (some EL and CCFL backlit, avoid EL/CCFL backlights!!) and their failure rate is nothing too bad... also if you are handy with a soldering iron you can always replace the LED (much more difficult with EL sheets/CCFL lamps)

I think the XTM is the same controller(?) but the LCD is different, its got a green backlight and is physically much smaller (smaller characters)

in a home environment I would imagine leaving the backlight on 24/7 could be more annoying than useful, but I have these things in racks with smoked plexi doors so without the backlight I cant read anything on the display :)

it would be cool if you could have a check box to leave it on all the time... would also be cool to use it as an indicator... so if there is an error condition you could "flash" the backlight... on these older fireboxes with the giant LCD displays that would definitely get your attention when you walk by it in a rack!

stephenw10

The driver is on github, feel free to start coding! ;)

You can flash the arm/disarm led as an alert though I've never actually coded that.

Steve

flecom

wouldn't even know where to start ;D

alas coding is not a skill I was blessed with… tracing out PCB's, reading schematics, designing/building/repairing hardware no problem...

but writing code... brain asplode :o ;)

going to look into that Arm/Disarm LED thing...

malvank

Will this work on a watchguard firebox 550e and onht elates pfsense build?

Kris

stephenw10

The driver works with all firebox models. However the start up script from the lcdproc-dev package has some trouble with it. You may find it doesn't start reliably at boot. You can start it manually though.

Steve

fmertz

@stephenw10:

IMHO there should be an option to enable the backlight permanently. Have the timer enabled by default with a warning perhaps.

However long the backlight should last there are quite a few reports of X-core boxes with dead backlights! ;)

FWIW, the decision not to leave the light on is based on this spec. As the code is based on said spec, I assume it applies to our boxes. Then again, things could have changed over various models and hardware revisions.

http://www.ktechs.net/pvt_filz/lcdproc/LMC-S2D20-01.pdf

Based on a half-life as low as 3,000 Hrs (depending on how you read the spec, 30,000 Hrs is also listed), the prudent thing to do is to leave the light off unless a button is pressed (a proxy for knowing when a human is around to see it). I am open to suggestions to work around this apparent limitation, but I want to keep this code as free of hacks as possible so I can keep it acceptable for inclusion in the upstream lcdproc project.

fmertz

@flecom:

going to look into that Arm/Disarm LED thing…

The code on github has the logic for LED control built-in. It is meant to support all known models, but it has not been tested adequately just yet. The idea is that the code captures the many posts revealing the technical implementation details that have been painstakingly discovered over the years. The catch is that, as of now, there is no lcdproc client that uses that functionality. The lcdproc server only offers the "output" function, with the semantics and implementation left for the driver to decide.

For testing, read this prior post:

http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php/topic,44034.msg247112.html#msg247112

Keep us posted.

ninjamick

hi all im new to linux and pfsence i got a wg x700 and im tring to install pfsence with a working display is there a version i can get that will work without adding extra scripts as im rubbish at commands so help would be greatful as there is very little on the web which works with windows please help :-[