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      serialdie
      last edited by

      I have the same issue with no static inside the dhcp pool.

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        z3r0x
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        I know that 58:55:ca:39:e3:19 is my appleTV. Not sure what device the other MAC is… Is there a way to find out?

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          wallabybob
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          @z3r0x:

          kernel: arp: 10.0.10.19 moved from 58:55:ca:39:e3:19 to 00:24:36:a3:28:2f on lagg0_vlan110
          kernel: arp: 10.0.10.19 moved from 00:24:36:a3:28:2f to 58:55:ca:39:e3:19 on lagg0_vlan110

          You probably have two devices with the same IP address. This can happen in a variety of ways including:
          1. a device has been configured with a static IP  address that is inside the dynamic IP address range of the DHCP server.
          2. You have two (or more) DHCP servers on the same network and they have overlapping address pools
          3. you have two devices configured with the same IP address.
          4. you have a device with two interfaces (perhaps wired and wireless) and the same IP address configured on each interface (possibly DHCP configured) and the device is switching between interfaces.

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            serialdie
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            Not in my case…

            arp: 10.30.2.99 moved from b0:b2:dc:ed:59:XX to 00:00:00:00:00:00 on re1
            arp: 10.30.2.99 moved from 00:00:00:00:00:00 to b0:b2:dc:ed:59:XX on re1

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              z3r0x
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              @wallabybob:

              You probably have two devices with the same IP address. This can happen in a variety of ways including:
              1. a device has been configured with a static IP  address that is inside the dynamic IP address range of the DHCP server.
              2. You have two (or more) DHCP servers on the same network and they have overlapping address pools
              3. you have two devices configured with the same IP address.
              4. you have a device with two interfaces (perhaps wired and wireless) and the same IP address configured on each interface (possibly DHCP configured) and the device is switching between interfaces.

              Hi. Apple TV is using DHCP. There is only 1 DHCP running and no one is using the same ip. But what I have seen when sniffing with Wireshark was something with IPv6. I have added a txt file. Maybe this tells you more? I don't remember doing anything with ipv6.

              dump.txt

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                heper
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                @serialdie: i'm guessing you have a hardware failure (broken networkcard/cabling/…) mac address 00:00:00:00:00:00 is invalid

                @z3r0x: both mac addresses you mention are from apple hardware. the logs indicate both devices (or 1 device using multiple interfaces) compete for the same address.
                ipv6 does not have ARP, so it can not be involved - ipv6 has NDP (similar purpose, not the same)
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighbor_Discovery_Protocol

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                  jasonlitka
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                  @z3r0x:

                  Hi

                  I have quite a lot of these messages in the logfile

                  kernel: arp: 10.0.10.19 moved from 58:55:ca:39:e3:19 to 00:24:36:a3:28:2f on lagg0_vlan110
                  kernel: arp: 10.0.10.19 moved from 00:24:36:a3:28:2f to 58:55:ca:39:e3:19 on lagg0_vlan110

                  lagg0 is configured with LCAP.

                  Is this something to worry about or just normal?

                  Do you have a Time Capsule or AirPort Extreme to go with the AppleTV?  If so, that is, unfortunately, normal.

                  I can break anything.

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                    cmb
                    last edited by

                    @Jason:

                    Do you have a Time Capsule or AirPort Extreme to go with the AppleTV?  If so, that is, unfortunately, normal.

                    Wow, really? Why's that? Odd that effectively the symptoms of an IP conflict would be normal, but I recall seeing that once on my home network also between two Apple vendor MACs. Don't have a time capsule or AirPort Extreme, have 2 Apple TVs, a couple iPhones, couple iPads, couple MacBook Pros, and an iMac. At the time I didn't even have time to check which MAC went to which device, and it hasn't recurred so I haven't bothered digging into it.

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                      jasonlitka
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                      @cmb:

                      @Jason:

                      Do you have a Time Capsule or AirPort Extreme to go with the AppleTV?  If so, that is, unfortunately, normal.

                      Wow, really? Why's that? Odd that effectively the symptoms of an IP conflict would be normal, but I recall seeing that once on my home network also between two Apple vendor MACs. Don't have a time capsule or AirPort Extreme, have 2 Apple TVs, a couple iPhones, couple iPads, couple MacBook Pros, and an iMac. At the time I didn't even have time to check which MAC went to which device, and it hasn't recurred so I haven't bothered digging into it.

                      It's a "feature" and part of the Bonjour Sleep Proxy.

                      http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3774

                      Also:

                      https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2160614
                      http://blog.martinshouse.com/2009/11/apple-time-capsule-steals-ip-addresses.html?m=1
                      http://en.usenet.digipedia.org/thread/16243/200/

                      I can break anything.

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                        serialdie
                        last edited by

                        @Jason:

                        @cmb:

                        @Jason:

                        Do you have a Time Capsule or AirPort Extreme to go with the AppleTV?  If so, that is, unfortunately, normal.

                        Wow, really? Why's that? Odd that effectively the symptoms of an IP conflict would be normal, but I recall seeing that once on my home network also between two Apple vendor MACs. Don't have a time capsule or AirPort Extreme, have 2 Apple TVs, a couple iPhones, couple iPads, couple MacBook Pros, and an iMac. At the time I didn't even have time to check which MAC went to which device, and it hasn't recurred so I haven't bothered digging into it.

                        It's a "feature" and part of the Bonjour Sleep Proxy.

                        http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3774

                        Also:

                        https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2160614
                        http://blog.martinshouse.com/2009/11/apple-time-capsule-steals-ip-addresses.html?m=1
                        http://en.usenet.digipedia.org/thread/16243/200/

                        Ha! That makes sense.
                        I have bonjour enable on my nas and thats the IP of the nas.

                        Thanks.

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                          joako
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                          @Jason:

                          @cmb:

                          @Jason:

                          Do you have a Time Capsule or AirPort Extreme to go with the AppleTV?  If so, that is, unfortunately, normal.

                          Wow, really? Why's that? Odd that effectively the symptoms of an IP conflict would be normal, but I recall seeing that once on my home network also between two Apple vendor MACs. Don't have a time capsule or AirPort Extreme, have 2 Apple TVs, a couple iPhones, couple iPads, couple MacBook Pros, and an iMac. At the time I didn't even have time to check which MAC went to which device, and it hasn't recurred so I haven't bothered digging into it.

                          It's a "feature" and part of the Bonjour Sleep Proxy.

                          http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3774

                          Also:

                          https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2160614
                          http://blog.martinshouse.com/2009/11/apple-time-capsule-steals-ip-addresses.html?m=1
                          http://en.usenet.digipedia.org/thread/16243/200/

                          If we disable the sleep proxy "feature" on all the MACs will the errors go away?

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                            bardelot
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                            If you just want those messages not to appear in the log add the system tunable "net.link.ether.inet.log_arp_movements" and set its value to 0.

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                              jasonlitka
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                              @joako:

                              If we disable the sleep proxy "feature" on all the MACs will the errors go away?

                              No. The issue is with the TC and AE, not the Macs, and you can't disable that feature on them.

                              @bardelot:

                              If you just want those messages not to appear in the log add the system tunable "net.link.ether.inet.log_arp_movements" and set its value to 0.

                              I actually think the Suppress ARP messages setting will do it as well. If memory serves I didn't add a manual tunable.

                              I can break anything.

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                                bardelot
                                last edited by

                                @Jason:

                                I actually think the Suppress ARP messages setting will do it as well. If memory serves I didn't add a manual tunable.

                                Yes it sets the same tunable and also net.link.ether.inet.log_arp_wrong_iface="0" .

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                                  tojoski
                                  last edited by

                                  This is happening on my Home Server as well.. I have 2 Gigabit Ethernet ports that are teamed to a single connection.

                                  Feb 5 12:33:22

                                  kernel: arp: 10.1.1.5 moved from 00:e0:81:ba:57:c4 to 00:e0:81:ba:57:c5 on em0

                                  Feb 5 12:33:22

                                  kernel: arp: 10.1.1.5 moved from 00:e0:81:ba:57:c5 to 00:e0:81:ba:57:c4 on em0

                                  Will this create an issue? It seems to be working ok

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                                    cmb
                                    last edited by

                                    @tojoski:

                                    This is happening on my Home Server as well.. I have 2 Gigabit Ethernet ports that are teamed to a single connection.

                                    Feb 5 12:33:22

                                    kernel: arp: 10.1.1.5 moved from 00:e0:81:ba:57:c4 to 00:e0:81:ba:57:c5 on em0

                                    Feb 5 12:33:22

                                    kernel: arp: 10.1.1.5 moved from 00:e0:81:ba:57:c5 to 00:e0:81:ba:57:c4 on em0

                                    Will this create an issue? It seems to be working ok

                                    That's a different scenario, that's what you see when using certain types of NIC bonding. It's fine.

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                                      joako
                                      last edited by

                                      @Jason:

                                      @joako:

                                      If we disable the sleep proxy "feature" on all the MACs will the errors go away?

                                      No. The issue is with the TC and AE, not the Macs, and you can't disable that feature on them.

                                      @bardelot:

                                      If you just want those messages not to appear in the log add the system tunable "net.link.ether.inet.log_arp_movements" and set its value to 0.

                                      I actually think the Suppress ARP messages setting will do it as well. If memory serves I didn't add a manual tunable.

                                      I don't have any Time Capsule or Airport Express. Only Apple TV, 2x MacBook that are here sometimes and probably a few PCs with iTunes installed, if that matters.

                                      But I still get the errors in the pfSense log.

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                                        cmb
                                        last edited by

                                        @joako:

                                        I don't have any Time Capsule or Airport Express. Only Apple TV, 2x MacBook that are here sometimes and probably a few PCs with iTunes installed, if that matters.

                                        But I still get the errors in the pfSense log.

                                        You don't need either of those, anything with the sleep proxy does it.

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                                          xbipin
                                          last edited by

                                          isnt this arp moved thing related to using wifi repeaters?

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                                            cmb
                                            last edited by

                                            @xbipin:

                                            isnt this arp moved thing related to using wifi repeaters?

                                            Most often, no. It can be. Some of them will translate the source MAC, which if someone roams from one wifi repeater to another will generate this kind of log.

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