VLAN Issue
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I'm not noticing that, to be honest - my rules allow LAN1 to LAN2 on the LAN1 side, but not the LAN2 side, and it works correctly (can pass traffic from LAN1 to LAN2, not vice-versa). I have no rules regarding LAN1 in LAN2, except to disallow ingress traffic on LAN2 to LAN1 (again, already established connections should not be affected). These could be completely different issues, but it's very odd nonetheless.
Yes, also limiters are broken I forgot to note that I found that - with in/out limiters set up on my VLAN's (yes, in is masked by source IP and out by destination IP) no traffic passes whatsoever. Something is definitely seriously broken in recent builds, could it be something that is just one thing that relates to the parsing of firewall rules? Sadly, I have no way to tell when it broke since I hadn't upgraded in 60 days and when I did, I wiped the box and started over.
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If you refuse to provide feedback i will just mark you as a troll an lock this subject.
Decide on your own if you want to continue and give feedback or just troll around.
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If you refuse to provide feedback i will just mark you as a troll an lock this subject.
Decide on your own if you want to continue and give feedback or just troll around.
What on earth are you talking about? I said above - given what's going on, what would be most useful? I'm happy to send you anything you need to help troubleshoot!
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I seem to have got my limiters working again, it seems that was an unrelated thing (I forgot limiters have NEEDED defined schedules for quite a long time now, forgot why they do).
What files would be useful to help determine why I'm needed extra rules to communicate between VLAN's? I'd be happy to send anything you need or provide access to the system if I'm not able to get it.
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What files would be useful to help determine why I'm needed extra rules to communicate between VLAN's? I'd be happy to send anything you need or provide access to the system if I'm not able to get it.
Have you already provided the requested information:
@ermal:Can you post your /tmp/rules.debug and screenshots of the gui(or config.xml) to see what is happening htere?
If so, where?
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No I haven't because the forum doesn't let you post files with those extensions. I'd be happy to email those files to Ermal (or other devs) though!
Edit, I just tried posting screenshots of my rules but the forum just timed out and didn't let me post those either. Today, I'm having issues connecting to one of my WAN interfaces but that may simply be my Internet connection at work blocking it - I have a HORRIBLE Internet connection here.
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No I haven't because the forum doesn't let you post files with those extensions.
It won't stop you posting the contents of the requested file(s) within a reply (within a quote block or code block to distinguish the contents from commentary).
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No I haven't because the forum doesn't let you post files with those extensions.
It won't stop you posting the contents of the requested file(s) within a reply (within a quote block or code block to distinguish the contents from commentary).
Good point I didn't want to flood the forum but if that's the best way to get those to you guys here they are. Also, not being able to access one of my WAN interfaces was just, as I suspected, my work blocking the IP address. So the only issue on-topic to this thread seems to be the communication between VLAN's, except, instead of being unable to block traffic I had to specifically allow it on the other interface. Here are the files Ermal requested:
rules.debug:
set limit tables 3000 set optimization aggressive set timeout { adaptive.start 0, adaptive.end 0 } set limit states 612000 set limit src-nodes 612000 #System aliases loopback = "{ lo0 }" MONTANADIGITAL = "{ em1 }" STAFFNETWORK = "{ em0_vlan69 }" GUESTNETWORK = "{ em0_vlan15 }" SOUNDTECH = "{ em0_vlan763 }" CENTURYLINK = "{ pppoe0 }" OpenVPN = "{ openvpn }" #SSH Lockout Table table <sshlockout>persist table <webconfiguratorlockout>persist #Snort tables table <snort2c>table <virusprot>table <bogons>persist file "/etc/bogons" table <vpn_networks>{ 172.21.16.0/24 } table <negate_networks>{ 172.21.16.0/24 } # User Aliases table <badstuff>persist badstuff = "<badstuff>" blockedports = "{ 31337 27374 6969 6881:6889 }" fastbucket = "{ 443 53 }" midbucket = "{ 5222:5223 5228:5230 }" slowbucket = "{ 5050 5190 1863 6665:6669 6679:6697 5631:5632 5800 6891:6901 1725 2302 3074 88 3724 6112 20:22 110 143 465 587 993 995 }" # Gateways GWWANGW = " route-to ( em1 72.250.187.1 ) " GWCENTURYLINK_PPPOE = " route-to ( pppoe0 72.160.61.1 ) " GWbothDSL = " route-to { ( em1 72.250.187.1 ) ( pppoe0 72.160.61.1 ) } round-robin " GWCenturyLinkPreferred = " route-to { ( pppoe0 72.160.61.1 ) } " set loginterface em0_vlan69 set skip on pfsync0 scrub on $MONTANADIGITAL all fragment reassemble scrub on $STAFFNETWORK all fragment reassemble scrub on $GUESTNETWORK all fragment reassemble scrub on $SOUNDTECH all fragment reassemble scrub on $CENTURYLINK all fragment reassemble no nat proto carp no rdr proto carp nat-anchor "natearly/*" nat-anchor "natrules/*" # Outbound NAT rules # Subnets to NAT tonatsubnets = "{ 172.21.12.0/22 172.16.16.0/22 192.168.41.0/24 172.21.16.0/24 127.0.0.0/8 0.0.0.0 }" nat on $MONTANADIGITAL from $tonatsubnets port 500 to any port 500 -> 72.250.187.21/32 port 500 nat on $MONTANADIGITAL from $tonatsubnets to any -> 72.250.187.21/32 port 1024:65535 nat on $CENTURYLINK from $tonatsubnets port 500 to any port 500 -> 72.160.61.87/32 port 500 nat on $CENTURYLINK from $tonatsubnets to any -> 72.160.61.87/32 port 1024:65535 # Load balancing anchor rdr-anchor "relayd/*" # TFTP proxy rdr-anchor "tftp-proxy/*" # NAT Inbound Redirects rdr on em1 proto tcp from any to 72.250.187.21 port 8034 -> 172.21.12.34 port 80 # Setup Squid proxy redirect no rdr on em0_vlan15 proto tcp from any to { 192.168.0.0/16, 172.16.0.0/12, 10.0.0.0/8 } port 80 no rdr on em0_vlan15 proto tcp from any to { 172.21.12.0/22, 172.16.16.0/22, 192.168.41.0/24 } port 80 rdr on em0_vlan15 proto tcp from any to !(em0_vlan15) port 80 -> 127.0.0.1 port 3128 # UPnPd rdr anchor rdr-anchor "miniupnpd" anchor "relayd/*" anchor "openvpn/*" anchor "ipsec/*" # Block all IPv6 block in log quick inet6 all label "Block all IPv6" block out log quick inet6 all label "Block all IPv6" #--------------------------------------------------------------------------- # default deny rules #--------------------------------------------------------------------------- block in log inet all label "Default deny rule IPv4" block out log inet all label "Default deny rule IPv4" block in log inet6 all label "Default deny rule IPv6" block out log inet6 all label "Default deny rule IPv6" # IPv6 ICMP is not auxilary, it is required for operation # See man icmp6(4) # 1 unreach Destination unreachable # 2 toobig Packet too big # 128 echoreq Echo service request # 129 echorep Echo service reply # 133 routersol Router solicitation # 134 routeradv Router advertisement # 135 neighbrsol Neighbor solicitation # 136 neighbradv Neighbor advertisement pass quick inet6 proto ipv6-icmp from any to any icmp6-type {1,2,135,136} keep state # Allow only bare essential icmpv6 packets (NS, NA, and RA, echoreq, echorep) pass out quick inet6 proto ipv6-icmp from fe80::/10 to fe80::/10 icmp6-type {129,133,134,135,136} keep state pass out quick inet6 proto ipv6-icmp from fe80::/10 to ff02::/16 icmp6-type {129,133,134,135,136} keep state pass in quick inet6 proto ipv6-icmp from fe80::/10 to fe80::/10 icmp6-type {128,133,134,135,136} keep state pass in quick inet6 proto ipv6-icmp from ff02::/16 to fe80::/10 icmp6-type {128,133,134,135,136} keep state pass in quick inet6 proto ipv6-icmp from fe80::/10 to ff02::/16 icmp6-type {128,133,134,135,136} keep state # We use the mighty pf, we cannot be fooled. block quick inet proto { tcp, udp } from any port = 0 to any block quick inet proto { tcp, udp } from any to any port = 0 block quick inet6 proto { tcp, udp } from any port = 0 to any block quick inet6 proto { tcp, udp } from any to any port = 0 # Snort package block quick from <snort2c>to any label "Block snort2c hosts" block quick from any to <snort2c>label "Block snort2c hosts" # SSH lockout block in log quick proto tcp from <sshlockout>to any port 22 label "sshlockout" # webConfigurator lockout block in log quick proto tcp from <webconfiguratorlockout>to any port 443 label "webConfiguratorlockout" block in quick from <virusprot>to any label "virusprot overload table" antispoof for em1 antispoof for em0_vlan69 # allow access to DHCP server on STAFFNETWORK pass in quick on $STAFFNETWORK proto udp from any port = 68 to 255.255.255.255 port = 67 label "allow access to DHCP server" pass in quick on $STAFFNETWORK proto udp from any port = 68 to 172.21.12.1 port = 67 label "allow access to DHCP server" pass out quick on $STAFFNETWORK proto udp from 172.21.12.1 port = 67 to any port = 68 label "allow access to DHCP server" antispoof for em0_vlan15 # allow access to DHCP server on GUESTNETWORK pass in quick on $GUESTNETWORK proto udp from any port = 68 to 255.255.255.255 port = 67 label "allow access to DHCP server" pass in quick on $GUESTNETWORK proto udp from any port = 68 to 172.16.16.1 port = 67 label "allow access to DHCP server" pass out quick on $GUESTNETWORK proto udp from 172.16.16.1 port = 67 to any port = 68 label "allow access to DHCP server" antispoof for em0_vlan763 # allow access to DHCP server on SOUNDTECH pass in quick on $SOUNDTECH proto udp from any port = 68 to 255.255.255.255 port = 67 label "allow access to DHCP server" pass in quick on $SOUNDTECH proto udp from any port = 68 to 192.168.41.1 port = 67 label "allow access to DHCP server" pass out quick on $SOUNDTECH proto udp from 192.168.41.1 port = 67 to any port = 68 label "allow access to DHCP server" antispoof for pppoe0 # loopback pass in on $loopback inet all label "pass IPv4 loopback" pass out on $loopback inet all label "pass IPv4 loopback" pass in on $loopback inet6 all label "pass IPv6 loopback" pass out on $loopback inet6 all label "pass IPv6 loopback" # let out anything from the firewall host itself and decrypted IPsec traffic pass out inet all keep state allow-opts label "let out anything IPv4 from firewall host itself" pass out inet6 all keep state allow-opts label "let out anything IPv6 from firewall host itself" pass out route-to ( em1 72.250.187.1 ) from 72.250.187.21 to !72.250.187.0/24 keep state allow-opts label "let out anything from firewall host itself" pass out route-to ( pppoe0 72.160.61.1 ) from 72.160.61.87 to !72.160.61.87/32 keep state allow-opts label "let out anything from firewall host itself" # make sure the user cannot lock himself out of the webConfigurator or SSH pass in quick on em0_vlan69 proto tcp from any to (em0_vlan69) port { 443 80 22 } keep state label "anti-lockout rule" # User-defined rules follow anchor "userrules/*" pass in quick on $OpenVPN from any to any keep state label "USER_RULE: OpenVPN Tech Remotes wizard" pass in quick on $MONTANADIGITAL reply-to ( em1 72.250.187.1 ) inet proto tcp from any to any port 443 flags S/SA keep state label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $MONTANADIGITAL reply-to ( em1 72.250.187.1 ) inet proto tcp from any to any port 22 flags S/SA keep state label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $MONTANADIGITAL reply-to ( em1 72.250.187.1 ) inet proto { tcp udp } from any to any port 1723 keep state label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $MONTANADIGITAL reply-to ( em1 72.250.187.1 ) proto udp from any to 72.250.187.21 port 1194 keep state label "USER_RULE: OpenVPN Tech Remotes wizard" block in quick on $STAFFNETWORK inet proto { tcp udp } from any to any port $blockedports label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $STAFFNETWORK inet proto { tcp udp } from any to <negate_networks>keep state dnpipe ( 1,2) label "NEGATE_ROUTE: Negate policy routing for destination" pass in quick on $STAFFNETWORK $GWbothDSL inet proto { tcp udp } from any to any port $fastbucket keep state dnpipe ( 1,2) label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $STAFFNETWORK inet proto { tcp udp } from any to <negate_networks>keep state dnpipe ( 3,4) label "NEGATE_ROUTE: Negate policy routing for destination" pass in quick on $STAFFNETWORK $GWbothDSL inet proto { tcp udp } from any to any port $midbucket keep state dnpipe ( 3,4) label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $STAFFNETWORK inet proto { tcp udp } from any to <negate_networks>keep state dnpipe ( 5,6) label "NEGATE_ROUTE: Negate policy routing for destination" pass in quick on $STAFFNETWORK $GWCenturyLinkPreferred inet proto { tcp udp } from any to any port $slowbucket keep state dnpipe ( 5,6) label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $STAFFNETWORK inet from 172.21.12.0/22 to <negate_networks>keep state dnpipe ( 1,2) label "NEGATE_ROUTE: Negate policy routing for destination" pass in quick on $STAFFNETWORK $GWbothDSL inet from 172.21.12.0/22 to any keep state dnpipe ( 1,2) label "USER_RULE: Default allow LAN to any rule" pass in quick on $STAFFNETWORK $GWbothDSL inet from any to 172.21.12.0/22 keep state label "USER_RULE: allow any to staff network" pass in quick on $GUESTNETWORK inet proto { tcp udp } from any to 172.21.12.0/22 keep state label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $GUESTNETWORK inet proto { tcp udp } from any to 172.16.16.1/22 keep state label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $GUESTNETWORK inet proto { tcp udp } from any to <negate_networks>keep state dnpipe ( 3,4) label "NEGATE_ROUTE: Negate policy routing for destination" pass in quick on $GUESTNETWORK $GWbothDSL inet proto { tcp udp } from any to any port $fastbucket keep state dnpipe ( 3,4) label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $GUESTNETWORK inet proto { tcp udp } from any to <negate_networks>keep state dnpipe ( 5,6) label "NEGATE_ROUTE: Negate policy routing for destination" pass in quick on $GUESTNETWORK $GWbothDSL inet proto { tcp udp } from any to any port $midbucket keep state dnpipe ( 5,6) label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $GUESTNETWORK inet proto { tcp udp } from any to <negate_networks>keep state dnpipe ( 7,8) label "NEGATE_ROUTE: Negate policy routing for destination" pass in quick on $GUESTNETWORK $GWCenturyLinkPreferred inet proto { tcp udp } from any to any port $slowbucket keep state dnpipe ( 7,8) label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $SOUNDTECH inet proto tcp from any to 172.21.12.0/22 flags S/SA keep state label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $SOUNDTECH inet proto { tcp udp } from any to 192.168.41.1/24 keep state label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $SOUNDTECH inet proto { tcp udp } from any to any keep state dnpipe ( 1,2) label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $CENTURYLINK reply-to ( pppoe0 72.160.61.1 ) inet proto tcp from any to any port 22 flags S/SA keep state label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $CENTURYLINK reply-to ( pppoe0 72.160.61.1 ) inet proto tcp from any to any port 443 flags S/SA keep state label "USER_RULE" pass in quick on $CENTURYLINK reply-to ( pppoe0 72.160.61.1 ) inet proto { tcp udp } from any to any port 1723 keep state label "USER_RULE" # Automatic Pass rules for any delegated IPv6 prefixes through dynamic IPv6 clients # VPN Rules anchor "tftp-proxy/*" # Setup squid pass rules for proxy pass in quick on em0_vlan15 proto tcp from any to !(em0_vlan15) port 80 flags S/SA keep state pass in quick on em0_vlan15 proto tcp from any to !(em0_vlan15) port 3128 flags S/SA keep state</negate_networks></negate_networks></negate_networks></negate_networks></negate_networks></negate_networks></negate_networks></virusprot></webconfiguratorlockout></sshlockout></snort2c></snort2c></badstuff></badstuff></negate_networks></vpn_networks></bogons></virusprot></snort2c></webconfiguratorlockout></sshlockout>
(I'm at the size limit I guess my post got cut short so I'll post config.xml in the next post)
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Use sites like pastie.org etc for posting text data
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Use sites like pastie.org etc for posting text data
I tried that and config.xml was over their 64 K limit but here's a link to it as a document on Google Drive. Hopefully this is helpful:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13gilNZkUWH0sBi39visLSX4QUC5PlzmdF7-vraIwa6k/edit?usp=sharing
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Could someone post their netstat -rn output on a box with a working OpenVPN config?
Edit: nevermind, found out one of my switches' configs got changed by someone who doesn't like to inform other people why they're doing stupid stuff, so my route was gone. I am not having the VPN/firewall issue.
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Could someone post their netstat -rn output on a box with a working OpenVPN config?
Edit: nevermind, found out one of my switches' configs got changed by someone who doesn't like to inform other people why they're doing stupid stuff, so my route was gone. I am not having the VPN/firewall issue.
That's great, I'm wondering if my issue has to do with the cheap MicroTik switch the firewall is connected to. I was successfully talking from OpenVPN to LAN and now it's quit working again. Here is my netstat -rn if it's useful:
[2.1-BETA1][admin@glacierfire.glaciercamp]/root(1): netstat -rn Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 72.250.187.1 UGS 0 684815 em1 72.160.38.1 link#11 UH 0 54778 pppoe0 72.160.38.69 link#11 UHS 0 0 lo0 72.250.187.0/24 link#3 U 0 113694 em1 72.250.187.21 link#3 UHS 0 0 lo0 127.0.0.1 link#6 UH 0 1363 lo0 172.16.16.0/22 link#9 U 0 1520856 em0_vl 172.16.16.1 link#9 UHS 0 0 lo0 172.21.12.0/22 link#8 U 0 311550 em0_vl 172.21.12.1 link#8 UHS 0 0 lo0 172.21.16.0/24 172.21.16.2 UGS 0 15315 ovpns1 172.21.16.1 link#12 UHS 0 0 lo0 172.21.16.2 link#12 UH 0 0 ovpns1 192.168.41.0/24 link#10 U 0 33 em0_vl 192.168.41.1 link#10 UHS 0 0 lo0 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire ::1 ::1 UH lo0 fe80::%re0/64 link#1 U re0 fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%re0 link#1 UHS lo0 fe80::%em0/64 link#2 U em0 fe80::204:23ff:feac:cf84%em0 link#2 UHS lo0 fe80::%em1/64 link#3 U em1 fe80::204:23ff:feac:cf85%em1 link#3 UHS lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 link#6 U lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#6 UHS lo0 fe80::%em0_vlan69/64 link#8 U em0_vlan fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%em0_vlan69 link#8 UHS lo0 fe80::%em0_vlan15/64 link#9 U em0_vlan fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%em0_vlan15 link#9 UHS lo0 fe80::%em0_vlan763/64 link#10 U em0_vlan fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%em0_vlan763 link#10 UHS lo0 fe80::%pppoe0/64 link#11 U pppoe0 fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%pppoe0 link#11 UHS lo0 fe80::%ovpns1/64 link#12 U ovpns1 fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%ovpns1 link#12 UHS lo0 ff01::%re0/32 fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%re0 U re0 ff01::%em0/32 fe80::204:23ff:feac:cf84%em0 U em0 ff01::%em1/32 fe80::204:23ff:feac:cf85%em1 U em1 ff01::%lo0/32 ::1 U lo0 ff01::%em0_vlan69/32 fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%em0_vlan69 U em0_vlan ff01::%em0_vlan15/32 fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%em0_vlan15 U em0_vlan ff01::%em0_vlan763/32 fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%em0_vlan763 U em0_vlan ff01::%pppoe0/32 fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%pppoe0 U pppoe0 ff01::%ovpns1/32 fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%ovpns1 U ovpns1 ff02::%re0/32 fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%re0 U re0 ff02::%em0/32 fe80::204:23ff:feac:cf84%em0 U em0 ff02::%em1/32 fe80::204:23ff:feac:cf85%em1 U em1 ff02::%lo0/32 ::1 U lo0 ff02::%em0_vlan69/32 fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%em0_vlan69 U em0_vlan ff02::%em0_vlan15/32 fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%em0_vlan15 U em0_vlan ff02::%em0_vlan763/32 fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%em0_vlan763 U em0_vlan ff02::%pppoe0/32 fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%pppoe0 U pppoe0 ff02::%ovpns1/32 fe80::d227:88ff:feba:d2e%ovpns1 U ovpns1
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Can you run wireshark or tcpdump on the machine you're trying to get traffic to to verify that it's not getting through? Or do you know for a fact that none of the traffic is touching it?
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Can you run wireshark or tcpdump on the machine you're trying to get traffic to to verify that it's not getting through? Or do you know for a fact that none of the traffic is touching it?
Sadly I can't, since every "machine" on the network on a regular basis I control is a Wi-Fi AP or a small smart switch. I could, next time I'm on site, put a machine on it running wireshark and attempt to VPN in from my iPad… there's an OVPN iPad client now. I'll do that next time I'm on site if I get a chance to.
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I honestly can't find anything wrong with your firewall or routing tables. Could you post a simplified version of your topology when you get a chance? If you have an intermediary L3 device, I'm thinking your issue may be similar to what was going on with me, but I don't believe at this point that it's pf's fault.
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Okay here's the basic text description:
WAN 1 is Montana Digital (mtdig.net) 72.250.187.21
WAN 2 is CenturyLink PPPoE
both feed into pfSense
Local side of pfSense is one port - three VLAN's. VLAN 69 - 172.21.12.1/22, VLAN 15 - 172.16.16.1/22, VLAN 763 - 192.168.41.1/24This feeds a MikroTik RB 250/GS 5-port switch.
One of these ports feeds a Raspberry Pi (and is a VLAN 69 access port) for RADIUS
The rest are trunk ports of which two are used (one free port):
One feeds a Trendnet PoE 8-port switch which feeds an EnGenius ENH-200, a Trendnet TEW-653AP and a Buffalo WHR-HP-G300NOne feeds another building which has a small 8-port ASUS Gigabit Unmanaged Switch which in turn feeds:
A EnGenius EAP-600
A Buffalo WHR-HP-G300N
An EnGenius ENH-202
An Ubiquiti Nanostation M5 in WDS-AP modeThe Nanostation M5 has three clients in WDS-STA mode, which feed:
Nanostation Loco M5 #1:
Another ASUS unmanaged switch connected to:
EnGenius ENH-202
EnGenius ENH-500
EnGenius EAP-300Nanostation Loco M5 #2:
Another MikroTik RB/250GS feeding:
Trunk: Trendnet PoE switch connected to an EnGenius EAP600 (more devices to come, LOL)
Access 763: Audio DSP (forgot the make/model)
Access 763: Buffalo WHR-HP-G300NNanostation Loco M5 #3:
Buffalo WHR-HP-G300NAll except the AP for the sound techs are on receiving all VLAN's and set to management on VLAN 69. This has all worked very well historically, I reinstalled pfSense and upgraded from a snap several months old when I needed to add a new NIC to support the second WAN connection. (which itself is a pain, I didn't know Squid didn't load balance so I'm trying to learn how to do that, but that's unrelated obviously)
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No intermediary L3 devices, can't get traffic that originates on the VPN side through, I'm stumped. Unless your default gateway is wrong on your machines (I'm assuming it's the pfSense IP for each respective VLAN), I can't find a reason your configuration isn't working without knowing your network/config more in-depth. Good luck with it!
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No intermediary L3 devices, can't get traffic that originates on the VPN side through, I'm stumped. Unless your default gateway is wrong on your machines (I'm assuming it's the pfSense IP for each respective VLAN), I can't find a reason your configuration isn't working without knowing your network/config more in-depth. Good luck with it!
Default gateway is the pfSense IP for VLAN_69 on everything. I think I've tracked down the problem as an OpenVPN issue though more than a firewall issue. All that testing was with the OpenVPN client for Windows which had been working and suddenly stopped with no config changes (couldn't get traffic to anything). I just installed the client for iPad and for Android. Lots of random disconnects, especially on the Android version, but both 95% work - definitely enough to be usable for my purposes. I changed NOTHING on the Windows client from when it was working though. I sure wish the OpenVPN setup on pfSense worked with Fedora (it doesn't even let you try because there's no certificate password).
So, it seems the only issue I'm having that's actually possibly VLAN caused (I still need to figure out load balancing Squid but that's obviously a topic for another thread) is need for the seemingly redundant allow from any rule on the LAN side (since as said, established states should just be allowed).
Thanks for the good wishes on sorting this out :) I really am trying to be as useful as I can be with this.
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Can you make a network diagram? gliffy.com . Are you seeing the mac address of the default gateways on the various subnets? (arp -a in windows will show you your arp table) Not sure how to do it in FreeBSD. I'm thinking that you might have a switching loop on your network. Also are your trunk ports tagged vlan ports. Are you sending tagged traffic to a end device? Most computers and access points will drop tagged traffic unless they are configured to deal with the extra 4 bytes. I like a puzzle, looking forward to seeing your diagram.
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Can you make a network diagram? gliffy.com . Are you seeing the mac address of the default gateways on the various subnets? (arp -a in windows will show you your arp table) Not sure how to do it in FreeBSD. I'm thinking that you might have a switching loop on your network. Also are your trunk ports tagged vlan ports. Are you sending tagged traffic to a end device? Most computers and access points will drop tagged traffic unless they are configured to deal with the extra 4 bytes. I like a puzzle, looking forward to seeing your diagram.
I'm adding a few AP's and a couple more little MikroTik switches to create access ports NEXT weekend but as of today, here's how it looks:
http://www.gliffy.com/go/publish/4535154/
The access points are configured to deal with tagged traffic as we run separate SSID's on each VLAN. Nobody is plugging into a trunk port directly (nobody gets to come in and plug into ANY port anymore for that matter since the switches that accomplished that broke)
P.S. As I noted this same basic setup used to work perfectly fine without any "extra" rules. Thanks a ton for your help! It seems to be mostly working now, I think all my OpenVPN issues are actually my internet connection where I live.