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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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      I look forward to that day.  :)
      I haven't seen any original Xboxes running as any firewall although I guess it would be possible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_%28console%29#Alternative_operating_systems
      Could be a fun project.

      Steve

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      • jimpJ
        jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
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        It's been done :-)

        http://www.vnsecurity.net/2008/05/wolfotrack-3d-firewall-gui/

        But why do I keep imagining this?

        "It's a UNIX system… I know this."

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          Clear-Pixel
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          With Sony developing PS 4 on a custom build of FreeBSD just maybe some real 3D performance options could roll up hill to FreeBSD/Unix. This could turn out to be a BIG MAJOR WIN for FreeBSD long term if it doesn't get derailed. Lets hope the FreeBSD licenses was setup so Sony and AMD's work can be utilized by the FreeBSD developers.

          Why such a Wide Vision ….. Unix/Linux have always lacked 3D performance ...... Could turn out to be a major pendulum shift long term.

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            dhatz
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            @Clear-Pixel:

            I was just about to post a article about that …. You beat me to it  :P

            http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/25/ps_4_is_freebsd_inside/

            The most up-voted comment by the readers of "The Register" seems to suggest that it might just a case of cross-platform development (though I doubt it).

            Anyway, I don't recall seeing any commits to the FreeBSD source tree that were identified as being sponsored by SONY, whereas there have been many commits from Juniper, Cisco, EMC/Isilon, NetApp, Netflix, Yahoo, Yandex, Nginx etc …

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              Clear-Pixel
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              Not familiar with FreeBSD licensing but seems to be a Private Fork for Sony.

              Anyhow …. Back in the day I remember windows NT running on DC Alphas which you could recompile software with very little changes and port to other platforms.

              Someone in the community having the know how should check into this ...... if its a issue with FreeBSD, a patch to remove/replace it would be in order!
              http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/15/openbsd_backdoor_claim/

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              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                They have: http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php/topic,45510.0.html

                Steve

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                  Clear-Pixel
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                  @stephenw10:

                  They have: http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php/topic,45510.0.html

                  Steve

                  …... cmb seems to be discrediting his post and concerns about back doors which I see as very troubling. Based on his response he gave no indication that ANY investigation into PFsense/FreeBSD has been performed.

                  We all know the US government has been breaking Constitutional laws involving privacy etc.... for many decades now. Here lately you would think Washington has Burned the United States Constitutional Documents and is no longer valid!

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                    dhatz
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                    @Clear-Pixel:

                    @stephenw10:

                    They have: http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php/topic,45510.0.html

                    Steve

                    …... cmb seems to be discrediting his post and concerns about back doors which I see as very troubling. Based on his response he gave no indication that ANY investigation into PFsense/FreeBSD has been performed.

                    To the contrary, what cmb posted makes perfect sense. And following up all the publicity about the alleged OpenBSD's IPsec "backdoor", the code has reportedly been audited by the OpenBSD developers.

                    Here's what Theo de Raadt (head of the OpenBSD project) had to say about the issue:
                    https://lwn.net/Articles/420858/

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                      Clear-Pixel
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                      All I'm saying is PFsense developers better be doing there own internal investigations rather than relying on the FreeBSD developers investigations or any other external investigations.

                      PFsense developers should be the ones responsible investigating back doors and removing them if possible ….. They could secretly leak it and allow a third party to remove/patch or a package to remove the back door if it exist.

                      As for a internal Audit by Theo de Raadt Head OpenBSD developer could not be trusted as they would have been the ones originally allowing government officials to implant the hostel code OR using code from other sources which Governments have compromised!

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                      • stephenw10S
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                        Whilst I'm sure one of the devs will have looked into these allegations I would not expect them to have read through the entire FreeBSD code base to check for backdoors.  ;) I'm sure you wouldn't either. The pfSense project could not exist without the BSD code it's built upon and there is an inherent trust involved there.

                        As far as I know no one has ever produced any evidence of rogue code and you wouldn't think it would that difficult if you knew where to look.

                        I would be far more concerned about your Cisco switch or modem calling home, no chance of auditing that. Not that I'd be particularly concerned about that either.

                        Steve

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                          Clear-Pixel
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                          I remember years ago there where articles going around the web stating secret government regulations requiring all consumer routers manufactures to have back doors built in for government use. I never did dig into the stories at the time so at the time I considered it nothing more than conspiracy theory. But with all the corruption going on in governments around the world today, I am revisiting the theory.

                          Where getting of topic here …..... Maybe another thread needs to be created for this  ???

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                            Klaws
                            last edited by

                            Maybe the goverment just "accidently leaked" the "information" that they have a backdoor in one of the most secure OSes, just to shy people away from it?

                            Much easier to control the masses, than to actually achieve something.

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                              kejianshi
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                              If only there were a former conspirator we could ask about all of this…    ::)

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                                Clear-Pixel
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                                Message Snowden …. he should know all of the OS's the NSA injected back doors into.

                                What's so dangerous about back doors is it opens the system up for remote monitoring .... live streaming of audio or video....and access your private home made porn flick files  :o you name it.

                                Cell phones are the most dangerous, most people carry them ever where they go and all have mics and cameras.... they can ease drop in on your face to face conversations even flip the camera on and the data usage will never show up on your bill.

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                                • K
                                  kejianshi
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                                  A few million people hold top secret clearances and many more than that have.  I'd estimate that about maybe 1% of the population knows exactly what is and isn't being done - officially.  Since a secret is something that you and one other person knows, this stuff aint no secret.

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