So, what would be a really reliable VPN-provider?
-
If you have a friend in a country that doesn't share with whatever country you are in, send him a pfsense with openvpn box and pay him for bandwidth.
+1. None of the commercial services can be trusted.
-
As far as "who to trust?". No one.
If you have a friend in a country that doesn't share with whatever country you are in, send him a pfsense with openvpn box and pay him for bandwidth.I think playing mommy against daddy, politically speaking, is the only way to achieve privacy.
I think all the big vpn services are mangnets for people who interest the feds greatly and thus are fed magnets.Thank you for your replies ;D
The above actually is a very nice idea. Unfortunately, I don't have such friends :-[
Yet, your idea made me think: suppose I rent a 'vps' or something like that in another country, and put OpenVPN on that, wouldn't that be an idea? (Is it possible?). Of course, then you are only replacing the problem, because 'they' can still see what you do.But suppose that you then rent yet another 'vps' in yet another country, put OpenVPN on that one too, and chain the 2?
As in:
Me -> OpenVPN-server (oVPNs) in Zimbabwe -> OpenVPN-server in Antarctica -> PFsense forum?That way, the first oVPNs can not see where I am going to, and the second one can not see where I am coming from. Unless, of course, they manage to get together and collaborate (if that is technically possible?).
Would this be an idea?
-
Sure, why not… till the Antarctica packets freeze on the way. :D
-
Yes - I like your idea. Get yourself a VPS in whichever country Edward Snowden ends up and install your vpn there.
(I'm not joking nearly as much as you might imagine) -
Yes - I like your idea. Get yourself a VPS in whichever country Edward Snowden ends up and install your vpn there.
(I'm not joking nearly as much as you might imagine)Its not about if your doing anything illegal, it just cost governments more money to decrypt your VPN traffic.
http://torrentfreak.com/mastercard-and-visa-start-banning-vpn-providers-130703/
We need some of the talented people within the Pfsense community to come up with a easy productive package to give users more control over whats passing through our network most important what are they slurping on etc.
-
Yes - I like your idea. Get yourself a VPS in whichever country Edward Snowden ends up and install your vpn there.
(I'm not joking nearly as much as you might imagine);D
-
Costing governments money these days doesn't matter much. They will just print as much as they need anyway.
What I like to "cost" them is cpu cycles and MEGAWATTS. You can't print nuclear reactors. -
Yes - I like your idea. Get yourself a VPS in whichever country Edward Snowden ends up and install your vpn there.
(I'm not joking nearly as much as you might imagine)Its not about if your doing anything illegal, it just cost governments more money to decrypt your VPN traffic.
http://torrentfreak.com/mastercard-and-visa-start-banning-vpn-providers-130703/
We need some of the talented people within the Pfsense community to come up with a easy productive package to give users more control over whats passing through our network most important what are they slurping on etc.
I agree. I am not doing anything illegal, but I do not like data being intercepted and stored 'for later use', given that those later 'uses' are bound not to be the most scientifically sound ones.
-
Costing governments money these days doesn't matter much. They will just print as much as they need anyway.
What I like to "cost" them is cpu cycles and MEGAWATTS. You can't print nuclear reactors.;D
-
Costing governments money these days doesn't matter much. They will just print as much as they need anyway.
What I like to "cost" them is cpu cycles and MEGAWATTS. You can't print nuclear reactors.To decrypt encrypted data cost time and a Tremendous amount of Processing ….. It is relevant. This is why they are attempting to discourage VPN use at the moment. If it becomes a increasing problem they will simply make it illegal to use or operate a VPN without a permit/license from your local government. Basically you will be paying a annual fee to your own government to decrypt your own data you encrypted and told they will never attempt to decrypt your private data connections. LMAO
-
It only costs processing IF the government doesn't have full access to the unencrypted packets traversing the network of the VPN service supplier and I'd bet 99 times in 100, they get it as quick as they want it. In the USA the crime and law enforcement act makes it mandatory for anyone running a service with more than a certain number of users to build in law enforcement access (back door) on the providers dime. (Aint that a kick to the groin if your service is VPN)?
I'm honestly not sure how compliant providers are, but I don't trust VPNs unless I own it, installed it and am pretty much one of just a few using it.
http://paranoia.dubfire.net/2011/02/deconstructing-calea-hearing.html
That said, I think everyone should have 1 PRIVATE VPN somewhere at least and pfsense makes that easy (-:
-
I'm honestly not sure how compliant providers are, but I don't trust VPNs unless I own it, installed it and am pretty much one of just a few using it.
http://paranoia.dubfire.net/2011/02/deconstructing-calea-hearing.html
That said, I think everyone should have 1 PRIVATE VPN somewhere at least and pfsense makes that easy (-:
Nice read ….. article over 2 years old, I wonder how far the government has pushed it so far?
When quantum computing arrives if it hasn't already, encryption will be no problem at all for world governments. The sad thing about it is quantum computing will never be available to the general public.
-
You can't print nukes but you can put a remote data center where power is plentiful and cheap. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center
The Utah Data Center, also known as the Intelligence Community Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative Data Center,[1] is a data storage facility for the United States Intelligence Community that is designed to store extremely large amounts of data, on the scale of yottabytes..[2][3][4] Its purpose is to support the Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative (CNCI), though its precise mission is classified.[5] The National Security Agency (NSA), which will lead operations at the facility, is the executive agent for the Director of National Intelligence.[6] It is located at Camp Williams, near Bluffdale, Utah, between Utah Lake and Great Salt Lake.
-
Remember the old days? Specific individuals with a warrant and just a couple of names on the warrant and an actual judge who actually read the warrant for people who are actually suspected of something that is actually bad and not just shrimp net dragging style trolling…
Yes - I'm well aware of Utah...
-
Remember the old days? Specific individuals with a warrant and just a couple of names on the warrant and an actual judge who actually read the warrant for people who are actually suspected of something that is actually bad and not just shrimp net dragging style trolling…
Yes - I'm well aware of Utah...
Just a couple of examples: NSA using intelligences data gathering to blackmail political figures to serve the Elite ….. or how about insider trading of the Financial Markets for profit.
Very dangerous times we are living in.
-
Well, a small update; all the VPN-providers I tried to test are insane, rude, stupid and/or complete rip offs. This ranges from all the 'big names' to smaller ones.
They either won't allow a trial upfront 'but have a 7 day money back guarantee' (yes, I am the stupid one here; wait in line for 700 days and 17 Paypal disputes to get my 20 dollars back ;D I often recognize a scam once I smell it).
Or they give a trial account for 72 hours, give no clear setup instructions and their customer 'service' department gives conflicting new instructions everytime, to finish it off by calling this prospective customer a retard if he tells them they give conflicting instructions.
Or they are so retarded themselves that they say my pfSense didn't connect to their service even 'though I mailed them a screenshot of the dashboard, clearly showing their external IP-address as the one the VPN-interface uses, and my pfSense OpenVPN log clearly showing it had connected.
Or, and that is one for real laughs, they are so braindead that they tell me: "pfSense is known to be garbage, please buy a normal retail router" (not kidding, the morons really mailed me that).
An old Chinese verb goes like: 99% of the world is either corrupt, or incompetent, or both ;D ;D ;D
So I like the idea of renting a VPS somewhere as suggested previously, but:
1. Can't the sysadmin of that hoster then still 'sneak in' my traffic?
2. Won't that be very expensive, on a monthly basis?
3. Is it difficult to set something up completely yourself, then? (As you all know, I will remain a noob for many, many, years ;D).Thank you,
Bye,
-
https://aws.amazon.com/free/
If you'd like to try out setting up a VPS, Amazon does have a year free setup (w/ some limitations, but all manageable). But then again, it is Amazon…......
-
https://aws.amazon.com/free/
If you'd like to try out setting up a VPS, Amazon does have a year free setup (w/ some limitations, but all manageable). But then again, it is Amazon…......
Thanks :D
I heard about that, but I have no clue how to set that up. I once found a blog from somebody who also uses pfSense (perhaps a member here, I don't know) who offered to set it up for 20 USD or something like that. I contacted him three times, but he never responded.
And yes, you are right, it is Amazon. But can Amazon see inside the encrypted traffic, or only the source/destination?
-
They can't see inside the encrypted traffic, at least not without accesing the keys from inside your VPS instance. They could probably do that though I imagine it's against any privacy policy they have. However the VPS would be the end point of your VPN so traffic leaves that box to it's final destination unencrypted. That's true of any vpn service though.
Steve
-
I've considered a pfSense-hosted VPN offering for pfSense Gold (or maybe pfSense Platinum) members.
