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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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      @xbipin:

      if u can produce 2A out of something so light then y make traditional power bricks

      What country are you in xbipin? That's probably going to be your answer.
      Years ago most stuff used to have the power supply inside it and be connected directly with a mains cable. When manufacturers started selling worldwide it became much cheaper to move the power supply outside the product so that they could make a single identical model (of what ever) and use a different power supply for each country. Those are often locally sourced, particularly if you have some odd AC outlets. It then comes down to what's cheapest and for small numbers a transformer based power supply can be cheaper/quicker to produce especially if its output is a bespoke voltage.

      I suspect that a large proportion of Ubiquity customers never use a power supply directly, is it possible to buy their products without the power supply?

      Steve

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        Mr. Jingles
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        @thermo:

        That made me chuckle…

        My pleasure  ;D

        Nearly… The setup should really look like Wired Lan, Wireless to your LAN, Wireless Guest.
        Assuming that your switch can do dynamic vlan assignment, the idea would be that 'unknown' clients/computers are put into the guest area or some other vlan away from your own lan (not the WAP area connected to your lan).

        Ok, so I was guessing more or less right this would need to be how it should work  ;D

        But for this:

        the idea would be that 'unknown' clients/computers are put into the guest area or some other vlan away from your own lan (not the WAP area connected to your lan)

        This does mean there should be multiple VLANs, right? (I ask because in the above there were also remarks about multiple VLANs not being necessary which confuses me  ???).

        Related, by the way: I do understand that the wireless accesspoint I ordered caters for a guest network, but I'd rather go the very solid way of using PFS (and my HP switch) to handle this, knowing it is safe, than simply relying on the software of the WAP-manufacturer, which might turn out to have (closed source) bugs.

        The idea of having Radius authentication for guests on wireless is undesirable. It will possibly require the manual installation of certificates on the device each time someone wants to use your guest network with a new device.

        I fully agree, this why I was thinking of having some sort of setup where on the wireless there is no Radius, but only when you want to move into to the wired LAN (from the WAP) there will be Radius. By the way, this is not my own invention: a network engineer of one of my customers told me it was setup according to this logic (being a multinational, I was sort of assuming they have thought about it  ;D).

        This is where the captive portal is generally used to allow web based "zero configuration" username/password authentication with a Radius backend, or just with vouchers.

        I have to admit, 'captive portal' is a complete blackbox for me sofar. But you write captive portal does use Radius?

        Thank you again for helping me  ;D

        6 and a half billion people know that they are stupid, agressive, lower life forms.

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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          @Hollander:

          I'd rather go the very solid way of using PFS (and my HP switch) to handle this, knowing it is safe, than simply relying on the software of the WAP-manufacturer, which might turn out to have (closed source) bugs.

          What you would be relying on here is that the wireless access point correctly tagged packets with the appropriate VLAN tag for the SSID it was received on. If this was broken you would have many things that didn't work, not just a security problem. Ubiquity will have many, many customers using this feature. If they produced a firmware (which is probably Linux based) in which this wasn't reliable they would have more complaints than they know how to handle!

          This in no worse than trusting the firmware in your switch if you used that for VLANs.

          Steve

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            thermo
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            This does mean there should be multiple VLANs, right? (I ask because in the above there were also remarks about multiple VLANs not being necessary which confuses me

            If you understand how each physical network interface on your pfsense works & how you can use rules to manage traffic across each one, then a vlan is exactly the same ethernet interface but without requiring a physical ethernet port on the back of the machine for each network. If you had a requirement for 10 different networks, then you would need a machine with 10 or more ethernet ports (rare & expensive). Alternatively, 1 port on your pfsense and a 10+ port vlan capable switch (cheap & easy).

            I have to admit, 'captive portal' is a complete blackbox for me sofar. But you write captive portal does use Radius?

            The captive portal prevents a user from using the network/internet resources until they have authenticated with either a username & password or simple voucher (through a web interface, nearly anyone can use). If you had a large number of users, you would need to connect your captive portal to whatever is storing those users (database, ldap server, MS Active Directory, Samba, plain text file etc..). A Radius server is the link between the captive portal and the user store which makes this possible. Replace captive portal with wireless access point/switch/other device (collectively known as Network Access Server/NAS) and you see where radius fits in.

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              markuhde
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              @Hollander:

              This is a very helpful remark (as I am trying to figure out what I need to do with VLANs and subnets and my appliances and don't understand a thing about how to do it. So subnets are within VLANs?

              Kinda. Think of it this way. Subnets are logical divisions of a network, VLANs are a virtual physical separation of a network. Imagine each VLAN as replacing a separate physical cable. On different VLANs you can run separate DHCP servers for example and there is some level of security between VLANs.

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                Bebe
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                @stephenw10:

                I suspect that a large proportion of Ubiquity customers never use a power supply directly, is it possible to buy their products without the power supply?
                Steve

                I just bought their EdgeRouter LITE (let me tell ya, i'm impressed!), it does come with a brick.
                Yes, i think some Bullets come w/o PoE module….

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                  Reiner030
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                  Hi,

                  because I found this thread just now and its not mentioned yet:

                  We use CISCO AP541N (with 1GiBit connection on LAN side) and they are just fine and not expensive and works great in a self-managed cluster up to 16/20 devices:
                  http://www.cisco.com/cisco/web/solutions/small_business/products/wireless/ap_500/index.html

                  We have setup a "big" cluster with 2,4 GHz nodes and a "small" cluster with 2-3 5 GHz ones.
                  There is also a bigger modell (Aironet 1250  series?) with can use 2,4 + 5 Ghz at same time but costs more as two single devices so we decide to use "only" the small ones.

                  The interesting thing for growing companies is that these APs can later easily added to a big CISCO cluster management system so you do not have to buy double…

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                    Mr. Jingles
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                    I forgot to report back here: I bought the Ubiquity UAP-PRO some time ago, and it is indeed rock- and rock stable.

                    So thank you to all of you who so kindly recommended it to me; her majesty (my wife  ;D) is happy and so I am happy  :D

                    6 and a half billion people know that they are stupid, agressive, lower life forms.

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                      kejianshi
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                      For wireless AP I go with a DDWRT linksys E2000.  They can be had for dirt cheap, its always been solid for me, all the ports are gigabit, so you also end up with a 5 port gigabit wired router.  I've been running them for years.  They also make excellent portable clients to your pfsense VPN if you have one.

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                        Gabri.91
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                        @kejianshi:

                        For wireless AP I go with a DDWRT linksys E2000.  They can be had for dirt cheap, its always been solid for me, all the ports are gigabit, so you also end up with a 5 port gigabit wired router.  I've been running them for years.  They also make excellent portable clients to your pfsense VPN if you have one.

                        This:
                        I use a WRT610N (basically the same as E2000 and E3000) with DD-WRT, now is a powerful managed switch + access-point with multiple SSID and VLAN..

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