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    Ahci(4) needed for TRIM

    2.1 Snapshot Feedback and Problems - RETIRED
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    • jimpJ
      jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
      last edited by

      I just forgot about the widget entirely in the previous commit.

      Done now though:
      https://github.com/pfsense/pfsense/commit/0aa297594cd1882f32d52074ba3546c4f5f97c8e

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        gogol
        last edited by

        Thanks to your guides I think I have enabled TRIM on my SSD:

        /root(5): tunefs -p /
        tunefs: POSIX.1e ACLs: (-a)                                disabled
        tunefs: NFSv4 ACLs: (-N)                                   disabled
        tunefs: MAC multilabel: (-l)                               disabled
        tunefs: soft updates: (-n)                                 disabled
        tunefs: gjournal: (-J)                                     disabled
        tunefs: trim: (-t)                                         enabled
        tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e)  2048
        tunefs: average file size: (-f)                            16384
        tunefs: average number of files in a directory: (-s)       64
        tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m)             8%
        tunefs: optimization preference: (-o)                      time
        tunefs: volume label: (-L)                                 
        
        

        and from dmesg

        ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0
        ada0: <ts16gssd25s-s v1210=""> ATA-8 SATA 2.x device
        ada0: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA5, PIO 512bytes)
        ada0: Command Queueing enabled
        ada0: 15272MB (31277056 512 byte sectors: 16H 63S/T 16383C)
        lapic1: Forcing LINT1 to edge trigger
        SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched!
        Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ufsid/51fa1b22d7786f5c
        WARNING: /: TRIM flag on fs but disk does not support TRIM</ts16gssd25s-s>
        

        Why is there still that last line that my disk doesn't support it?

        I have this one:
        === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
        Model Family:    JMicron based SSDs
        Device Model:    TS16GSSD25S-S
        Serial Number:    00246293003C
        Firmware Version: V1210

        According to data sheet it does support trim command.

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        • a-a-ronA
          a-a-ron
          last edited by

          It appears you have a similar drive to mine, these drives are older and do not support TRIM.

          Model Family:    JMicron based SSDs
          Device Model:    TS32GSSD25S-M

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            gogol
            last edited by

            That's weird because on this page:

            http://www.transcend-info.com/industry/products_details.asp?ModNo=3&Func1No=1

            Transcend says it does support it. Look at the Features tab and under Specifications SSD25S is named. I have the SLC and you have the MLC.

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            • a-a-ronA
              a-a-ron
              last edited by

              I'll be honest, its been years since i've read or done anything with this drive. Last I read (for mine) it didn't support TRIM, but had "Wear-leveling algorithm ensures reliable data transfer", which I had assumed was pre-TRIM. My drive has been happily sitting in my router doing its job. It wasn't until this thread that I started playing with it again.

              Mine also doesn't appear to have command queueing either.

              ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0
              ada0: <ts32gssd25s-m 100415=""> ATA-7 SATA 2.x device
              ada0: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 512bytes)
              ada0: 30560MB (62586880 512 byte sectors: 16H 63S/T 16383C)
              WARNING: /: TRIM flag on fs but disk does not support TRIM</ts32gssd25s-m>
              

              I wonder if there is a newer firmware that adds TRIM?

              EDIT:
              I don't see in the spec sheets where either drive supports TRIM.
              TS16GSSD25S-S
              http://www.csee.umbc.edu/~squire/images/ssd3.pdf
              http://c.master.lv/p/01/53/40/05/F611373.pdf

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                kejianshi
                last edited by

                Jmicron?

                Be worried…  Be very worried.

                If I had a jmicron and just had to run it, I'd do everything possible to minimize writes.

                Might even treat it like flash card just to be safe.

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                  gogol
                  last edited by

                  I did some further investigation and it seems that my Transcend drive (TS16GSSD25S-S) has no TRIM support, although I have found a lot of resources that say otherwise:

                  root: camcontrol identify ada0 | egrep TRIM\|Feature
                  Feature                      Support  Enabled   Value           Vendor
                  data set management (TRIM)     no
                  
                  

                  It is an SLC drive with an MTBF of 1.000.000 hours and wear leveling so I am not worried at all even though it has a JMicron controller. ;)
                  I have it running for about 4 years now as ext3 linux OS server with extensive logging (also not advised by many sources) and now lately for pfSense.
                  http://www.ssdworld.net/?p=tips

                  Ssd's with a JMicron controller however (OCZ and Kingston models) have initially caused much disappointment and frustration.
                  Meanwhile the firmware of ssd's with a JMicron controller have been improved, but because people are very reluctant buying an ssd with a JMicron controller, it will take a while until the appreciation for those ssd's will improve.

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                    andr3wyong
                    last edited by

                    @jimp:

                    The AHCI module should be included in snapshots now (I just updated a VM and checked, it's there).

                    Also look at /usr/local/sbin/ufslabels.sh - that would eliminate the need to make any fstab edits.

                    Too late for 2.1 to grow an installer option for it, but perhaps for 2.2.

                    The module is there, but coming from a snapshot before the inclusion of the module, I still require ahci_load="YES" in boot.conf.local - it reverts to the ATA modules otherwise. Is there something I’m missing?

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                    • jimpJ
                      jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                      last edited by

                      No, you'll need to load the AHCI module if you want it. That won't change for 2.1.

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                        andr3wyong
                        last edited by

                        Great, at least it’s behaving as intended, then :)

                        Is there any persistent configuration set by the installer when installing with TRIM enabled though? Or will we have to flip the AHCI switch even if installing with TRIM enabled?

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                        • jimpJ
                          jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                          last edited by

                          The installer knows nothing of TRIM currently.

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                            Sn3ak
                            last edited by

                            I'd like to point out, the previous patches for the smart status page / widget are incorrect.
                            This code, at least for me, stops showing ad* devices, and da* devices. It does report ada* devices.

                            
                            exec("ls /dev | grep '^[ad][da]a*[0-9]\{1,2\}$'", $devs);
                            
                            

                            Should be: (and this appears to be the latest committed to pfsense)

                            
                            exec("ls /dev | grep '^\(ad\|da\|ada\)[0-9]\{1,2\}$'", $devs);
                            
                            
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                            • jimpJ
                              jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                              last edited by

                              The old regex worked fine when I tested it, e.g.

                              $ cat test.txt 
                              ad0
                              da0
                              ada0
                              $ grep '^[ad][da]a*[0-9]\{1,2\}$' test.txt 
                              ad0
                              da0
                              ada0
                              $ ls /dev | grep '^[ad][da]a*[0-9]\{1,2\}$'
                              ad4
                              ad6
                              ada0
                              ada1
                              da0
                              

                              The newer one is definitely better, but the old one wasn't broken on any system I tried it on.

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                                markn62
                                last edited by

                                This thread got TRIM enabled on an AMD64.  Curious if "time" is the best optimization method or if it's even worth looking into.

                                [2.1-RC1][admin@pfsense.router]/(2): tunefs -p /
                                tunefs: POSIX.1e ACLs: (-a)                                disabled
                                tunefs: NFSv4 ACLs: (-N)                                  disabled
                                tunefs: MAC multilabel: (-l)                              disabled
                                tunefs: soft updates: (-n)                                disabled
                                tunefs: gjournal: (-J)                                    disabled
                                tunefs: trim: (-t)                                        enabled
                                tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e)  2048
                                tunefs: average file size: (-f)                            16384
                                tunefs: average number of files in a directory: (-s)      64
                                tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m)            8%
                                tunefs: optimization preference: (-o)                      time
                                tunefs: volume label: (-L)

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