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    kejianshi
    last edited by Aug 13, 2013, 9:40 PM Aug 13, 2013, 9:38 PM

    If it just needs to fit on your desk, just get yourself a nice small desktop board, a couple of 2 port PCIe NICs, almost any modern intel or AMD CPU, a couple GB or more of ram and put it on your desk.  If all the hardware is 2 years old or more and especially if its all Intel, it going to work great.  It doesn't need to be expensive either.  But, if it doesn't have to fit a 1U chassis I'd suggest a quad core processor clocked at 3GHZ or more. A modern I5, I7 or AMD or something will allow you to get pretty creative.  When I'm not constrained by space, power or heat, I opt for horsepower.

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      kejianshi
      last edited by Aug 13, 2013, 9:54 PM Aug 13, 2013, 9:48 PM

      BTW - Gigabit NICs are are nice and I definitely like the pretty green color it turns my switch's lights, but gigabit ports doesn't equal gigabit throughput necessarily.  If you have some space, build something with a bit of CPU to spare  ;)

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        CaptainWTF
        last edited by Aug 13, 2013, 9:54 PM

        Well right now the machine I've got to play with is a 1.6ghz dual core AMD 350 APU machine w/ 4gb of ram.

        Asrock e350m1 specifically.

        I was looking into something like this potentially as well http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=281150078955&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en

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          kejianshi
          last edited by Aug 13, 2013, 10:05 PM

          The realtek 8111e on the Asrock might be a problem and the processor isn't going to give you blazing throughput.  Might be a headache.

          The server is pretty big, but it will surely work one would think.

          I might go a different way though if I were going to spend $200 or more.

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            kejianshi
            last edited by Aug 13, 2013, 10:20 PM

            The advertisement for the server on ebay says dual core in the specs then quad core further down.  Which is correct?

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              CaptainWTF
              last edited by Aug 13, 2013, 10:26 PM

              Yeah, I noticed that. I already messaged the seller for clarification… haha. I'll have to do some digging. Ill probably end up going for a server for it.

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                kejianshi
                last edited by Aug 13, 2013, 10:27 PM

                If its going to give you 8 or 16 threads, I like the server too.  You can put ESXi on it, use two cores for a pfsense and put a bunch other services on the remaining vCores.

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                  CaptainWTF
                  last edited by Aug 13, 2013, 10:49 PM

                  if I had a new haswell machine i'd use my current rig on it with a 3960x, 12 threads :D

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                    kejianshi
                    last edited by Aug 13, 2013, 10:58 PM

                    I have a couple small VMs running here and there but my personal machines are all either quad or dual core.  (Thats the downside of being able to fix things well - Nothing breaks often - Nothing gets upgraded often).  The up-side of that is my pfsense here runs on a dual core AMD with no virtualization, my desktop is quad core no virtualization. Most everything here is single serving one user/purpose per machine and its super reliable.  I've done 8 core 16 thread installs for a few people and its nice and saves on power bill, but mine is way more reliable.  Most things run well, but the more I do it for others, the less I want pfsense on a VM for me.

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                      CaptainWTF
                      last edited by Aug 13, 2013, 11:01 PM

                      Im not looking to get extreme speeds, I imagine my APU machine will have more throughput then my current router lol. Definitely more processing power.

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                        kejianshi
                        last edited by Aug 13, 2013, 11:06 PM Aug 13, 2013, 11:03 PM

                        I like your APU as a pfsense actually.  I just don't like its network chipset.  If you stick a dual or quad port Intel NIC in the video PCIe slot, it would be pretty nice actually.

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                          CaptainWTF
                          last edited by Aug 13, 2013, 11:10 PM Aug 13, 2013, 11:06 PM

                          Yeah that was going to be the idea, because I can't just plug something in and have nothing come out. Do you have any recommendations for dual gigabit intel nics? I love Intel nics.

                          Right now I've a EVGA X79 FTW in my current rig, and its got dual gigabit nics onboard but for some reason it acts up and does nooooooot work right sometimes. the speeds are super bottlenecked. and other times works fine. So I bought a Intel card and it works like a dream :)

                          My plans were going to be a small SSD for the OS and a dual gigabit nic :)

                          http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-NC360T-Dual-Port-Gigabit-Server-Adapter-PCIe-Low-Profile-LP-412651-001-HH-/130964213434?pt=US_Internal_Network_Cards&hash=item1e7e134eba

                          Lookin at something like this maybe

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                            kejianshi
                            last edited by Aug 13, 2013, 11:19 PM Aug 13, 2013, 11:13 PM

                            http://www.ebay.com/itm/171056854896?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

                            I know for sure this one works well and sits nicely in the video slot…

                            Prepare to spend big bucks though.  These are $26 each.

                            I think its basically the same card.

                            You could use a single port and VLANs with VLAN switch, but if you don't need to why????

                            Yeah - I think your plan for the APU is fine.

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                              CaptainWTF
                              last edited by Aug 13, 2013, 11:23 PM

                              In that case, Ordered the card, Ordered an SSD. And a new CPU fan for that APU machine cause their fans are shitty and the bearings went out lol.

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                                kejianshi
                                last edited by Aug 13, 2013, 11:25 PM

                                Yeah - I have a small Atom build that did same thing…  Solid platform, but the fan is a pain.  Totally not needed but loud enough to irritate when goes bad.
                                I wouldn't necessarily have gone with an SSD though.  What SSD did you get?  What kind of install are you doing?  Embedded or full?

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                                  CaptainWTF
                                  last edited by Aug 13, 2013, 11:30 PM

                                  Elaborate on install type(I think im gonna be doing a full), And I may not do SSD, I didnt press the okay button yet :P

                                  I could just use a HDD I've laying around too.

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                                    kejianshi
                                    last edited by Aug 14, 2013, 12:16 AM

                                    Well.  A full install from a "live CD" download provides the most options.  It also makes the most frequent writes to the HDD.  There isn't much in the way of TRIM support going in pfsense to my knowledge.  So, frequent writes will kill a cheaper SSD.  By cheaper, I mean anything that isn't industrial SSD is a gamble in my opinion for full install with SSD.

                                    So, I have little western digital black 2.5 inch drives in my small ones and a 500GB WD Black in my home pfsense.  (Thats way more than is needed.  only about 20GB is currently used).

                                    So, think about how you want to go.

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                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                      last edited by Aug 14, 2013, 12:42 AM

                                      @CaptainWTF:

                                      @Stephen, That is a non gigabit model.
                                      What are the models that ARE gigabit?

                                      The X550e has 4 Marvell Gigabit NICs. The details on that ebay auction are wrong.
                                      Hardware details of all the fireboxes are listed on the wiki page: http://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/PfSense_on_Watchguard_Firebox

                                      Steve

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                                        rjcrowder
                                        last edited by Aug 14, 2013, 2:00 PM

                                        @kejianshi:

                                        So, frequent writes will kill a cheaper SSD.  By cheaper, I mean anything that isn't industrial SSD is a gamble in my opinion for full install with SSD.

                                        Gotta agree with this… I've killed several cheaper SSD's. The latest is an Intel and it seems fine so far.

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                                          kejianshi
                                          last edited by Aug 14, 2013, 2:04 PM

                                          SLC SSD is just fairly bullet-proof anyway, which is probably what you have.  But most people don't seem to get that if it isn't SLC its just a matter of time.

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