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    Installing pfSense on brand new hardware – no drivers?

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      Doktor Jones
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      I tried that – I plugged and unplugged back and forth between both ports, and it just sits at the "Enter the WAN interface name or 'a' for auto-detection" prompt. Similarly, when I try auto-detection (leaving cables unplugged until prompted), it doesn't detect any link up event.

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        kejianshi
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        I'd box it up send it back if possible.  If not, there is further checking that can be done in the BIOS.

        I'd go into the bios and check the advanced setting and the onboard devices (Every bios is slightly different)

        I'd deactivate USB3 if possible.  Default to SATAII if possible.  Also make sure the network cards are turned on.

        I've had several instances where boards ship with most features turned off.

        Let me know how that goes.  Also, you are using version 2.1 right?

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          Doktor Jones
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          Looks like I might be boxing it up…

          I can't disable USB3 or change the SATA mode (only enable/disable each port; I have all the unused ports disabled). I've tried turning on EVERYTHING remotely network-related in the peripherals section, which is resulting in a ludicrously slow boot time because now it's trying to boot on PXE (and timing out of course). We'll see what road this leads down...

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            kejianshi
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            Can you open your current D525 box and post a pic here of the board in the case its sitting in.  I want to know if there is space for add-on NIC in either a PCI or PCIe slot and if the case will accommodate it.  A D525 is a nice bit of kit and is very capable as a pfsense router/firewall.

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              Doktor Jones
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              No dice on the boot with options, still doesn't detect any link state change. The NIC status LEDs blink periodically, so there's at least a physical connection… but can't get much beyond that.

              http://imgur.com/bbjmjH6.jpg for my Atom box -- don't see any room for a second NIC in there :(

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                kejianshi
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                Thats completely OK - I already know the best way to deal with this, but question…  What kind of throughput do you need?  How fast is your internet?

                Also, what kind of packages do you need to run?

                (I like that box - Its really nice - How is that kingspec SSD working out for you?)

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                  Doktor Jones
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                  I think our internet connection is 50mbit down/15mbit up, though we're considering upgrading in the (nearish) future.

                  As far as packages, I'm running pretty near stock. The main features of pfSense I'm concerned with are OpenVPN, and I also run a guest AP (which I throttle, to discourage freeloading neighbors from torrenting etc while allowing legit houseguests to check their e-mail or surf the web). The only package I've actually installed is the File Manager, more out of personal curiosity than anything else.

                  The Kingspec SSD has been running quite well – on this box I'm running the nanobsd 1g image, so theoretically there's ~15GB of space for the SSD to use for wear-leveling :D

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                    kejianshi
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                    OK - Your current box is very nice and more than you need for your application.  I notice you have wireless on that box. Does that work well for you?

                    As far as getting you a wired LAN and WAN, all you need is a small managed VLAN capable switch and you will be all set.  Then you will have LAN and WAN ports to spare (-;  How fast is your port on the box?  Is is GB or 10/100?

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                      ayah
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                      Gigabyte GA-Z87N-WIFI :
                      Uh, that's an Intel i217v which isn't supported.
                      I don't believe that Atheros chip is supported either. They're both really new relatively speaking.

                      afaik nobody has the i2xx series working yet. If you're deadset on using that GB board, just stick a ~20$ nc360t in it until the appropriate drivers are ready.

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                        kejianshi
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                        Yeah - But returning the mobo and just buying a vlan switch is so cost effective and flexible…  Will work sooooooo well also.

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                          Doktor Jones
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                          It's GigE… would this switch do? http://www.microcenter.com/product/393070/JetStream_8-Port_10-100-1000_Gigabit_Managed_Ethernet_Switch_with_2_SFP_Slots

                          The wireless has worked fine for me... we don't do a whole lot on wireless (mostly web surfing and e-mail... our most demanding application is probably YouTube), and the guest AP thing is nice to have.

                          @ayah:

                          afaik nobody has the i2xx series working yet. If you're deadset on using that GB board, just stick a ~20$ nc360t in it until the appropriate drivers are ready.

                          Unfortunately said NIC is not available locally, and I need a solution ASAP (see OP). The cheapest equivalent @ Microcenter is $156, and that's on top of the ~$250 I've already spent on this new hardware.

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                            kejianshi
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                            TL-SG3210 - Ohhhhhh yeah.  That will do it.  Looks like a nice small switch.

                            I'm sure you can conquer VLANs in a a hour or two then you will be all set.

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                              ayah
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                              if you need a new system right away: go old.
                              8111E's should work fine and were/are on a ton of consumer matx to full atx boards.  not pretty, but you could just lay the hardware out on boxes and whatnot just to have it function
                              Or, find older generation Supermicro/Tyan server boards (Ivy Bridge or older), for which the newest Intel NIC should be the 82574.

                              w.r.t. your current board: you may or may not be able to find an mPCIE ethernet card. it'd be a horribly ugly hack but it could work. they're also painfully rare.

                              w.r.t. an nc360t: have you tried looking through whatever classifieds are popular locally? the nc360t just seems to be the most popular card I've noticed with the 82571.

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                                kejianshi
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                                So, you now have a working more than sufficiently powerful, low wattage pfsense box and will soon have all the WAN and LAN you need via VLAN…  Problems solved.

                                Maybe you can keep and eye on that SSD of yours and post back letting people know how well and reliable it works over the life of your box.  Those are very inexpensive SSDs and finding any rating on them is difficult.  If it keeps working well for you it might make for a nice cheap option for people in the future.

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                                  Doktor Jones
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                                  @kejianshi:

                                  So, you now have a working more than sufficiently powerful, low wattage pfsense box and will soon have all the WAN and LAN you need via VLAN…  Problems solved.

                                  Maybe you can keep and eye on that SSD of yours and post back letting people know how well and reliable it works over the life of your box.  Those are very inexpensive SSDs and finding any rating on them is difficult.  If it keeps working well for you it might make for a nice cheap option for people in the future.

                                  Well the SSD has been running in that box 24/7 since May 2012 (actually, the end of April), and still seems to be doing fine. Here's the SMART status from it:

                                  ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
                                   12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       13
                                    9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
                                  194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0007   032   100   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
                                  229 Unknown_Attribute       0x0002   100   000   000    Old_age   Always       -       589585213484
                                  232 Available_Reservd_Space 0x0002   100   049   000    Old_age   Always       -       4626505281584
                                  233 Media_Wearout_Indicator 0x0002   100   000   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
                                  234 Unknown_Attribute       0x0002   100   000   000    Old_age   Always       -       94489281280
                                  235 Unknown_Attribute       0x0002   100   000   000    Old_age   Always       -       4127259151
                                  

                                  (I'm amused that 32C is considered "pre-fail")

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                                    kejianshi
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                                    SMART is pretty worthless for knowing the true health and true remaining life of SSDs.  I call SSDs either working or not and pretty much ignore the smart reports.  That switch is also pretty much unrated but seems like it will be very nice.  Thats something else you might make posts about once you get its VLANs configured and get the pfsense VLANs working with it.  Its a solid looking piece of hardware.

                                    I'm running one of these in my old home box:

                                    === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
                                    Device Model:    SAMSUNG MCCOE64G5MPP-0VA
                                    Serial Number:    SE816A2746

                                    SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 1
                                    Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
                                    ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG    VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
                                      9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032  097  097  000    Old_age  Always      -      10711
                                    12 Power_Cycle_Count      0x0032  097  097  000    Old_age  Always      -      2045
                                    175 Program_Fail_Count_Chip 0x0032  100  100  011    Old_age  Always      -      0
                                    176 Erase_Fail_Count_Chip  0x0032  100  100  011    Old_age  Always      -      0
                                    177 Wear_Leveling_Count    0x0013  099  099  023    Pre-fail  Always      -      15
                                    178 Used_Rsvd_Blk_Cnt_Chip  0x0013  087  087  011    Pre-fail  Always      -      21
                                    179 Used_Rsvd_Blk_Cnt_Tot  0x0013  094  094  010    Pre-fail  Always      -      315
                                    180 Unused_Rsvd_Blk_Cnt_Tot 0x0013  094  094  010    Pre-fail  Always      -      4901
                                    181 Program_Fail_Cnt_Total  0x0032  100  100  010    Old_age  Always      -      0
                                    182 Erase_Fail_Count_Total  0x0032  100  100  010    Old_age  Always      -      0
                                    183 Runtime_Bad_Block      0x0013  100  100  010    Pre-fail  Always      -      0
                                    187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0033  099  099  000    Pre-fail  Always      -      4
                                    195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x001a  199  199  000    Old_age  Always      -      4
                                    198 Offline_Uncorrectable  0x0030  100  100  000    Old_age  Offline      -      0
                                    199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e  253  253  000    Old_age  Always      -      2

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                                      Doktor Jones
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                                      Hmmm… I found that I might be able to get the GA-H77N-WIFI motherboard... which would allow me to avoid the hassle of returning the CPU (the part I fear most about returning this hardware) -- it has dual Realtek GigE ethernet.

                                      My only concerns with this would be whether the chipset is supported, and also I've heard some people pan Realtek around here -- I know they're not Intel, but are they really that bad?

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                                        kejianshi
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                                        GA-H77N-WIFI will work with 2.1 but I think the wifi will not.  That board has been tried out here before.  I spent some time in a thread with a different guy with that board.  All running except the wifi if I remember correctly.

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                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                          Running Nano on that SSD it should last forever.

                                          That switch seems expensive compared with, say, this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122397 which would also do the job. That Netgear might be more difficult to setup though, it requires a Windows only setup program. This one doesn't though and many people are using it: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122381

                                          However if that's available today and others aren't it should be fine.

                                          Steve

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                                            kejianshi
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                                            I got the distinct impression that speed of purchase and functionality mattered more than cost to this guy.  Thats why I didn't get into the price bit.  I don't know though.  The TL-SG3210 is advertising alot of function for a sorta not too high price.  I'm interested to see how he rates it if he gets it.

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