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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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      ;D

      I'm surprised those T7400s would struggle at 120/120.

      Steve

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        jasonlitka
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        Struggle isn't the right word I guess.  When maxing out both pipes the CPU usage is around 70%, likely due to the mild traffic shaping (a couple limiters on a vLAN interface + a bunch of PRIQ buckets on all interfaces).  That's doesn't leave the headroom for a 500/100 pipe and certainly won't allow for snort & squid.

        I can break anything.

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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          If you have any sort of CPU frequency scaling enabled then that might be 70% of some lower speed, worth checking. Also might not be evenly distributed across the cores, 100% on one core 40% on the other. You really would be out of CPU in that case.

          Anyway somewhat off topic.

          Steve

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            jasonlitka
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            Good points.  The frequency is at max, though I've no idea whether or not the load is unbalanced across cores.  I'll check that this week.

            I can break anything.

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              longhorn
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              @Jason:

              No.  The driver in 2.1 isn't new enough.  If you have an active support subscription then they can send you an updated driver which will work but it was pulled out of 2.1 because it breaks ALTQ (you won't have traffic shaping).

              Any news on Intel i210 NIC support that doesn't break traffic shaping???

              Any info at all… such as a SWAG on when support might make it to a beta or production client would be greatly appreciated. I had to abandon using PfSense for a new install because I needed a 4 NIC on-board solution and the only mobos I could find that fit the bill were Supermicro with the i210.

              Now I'm stuck using Untangle, Smoothwall, etc. until this becomes an option for PfSense.  :-(

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                jasonlitka
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                @longhorn:

                @Jason:

                No.  The driver in 2.1 isn't new enough.  If you have an active support subscription then they can send you an updated driver which will work but it was pulled out of 2.1 because it breaks ALTQ (you won't have traffic shaping).

                Any news on Intel i210 NIC support that doesn't break traffic shaping???

                Any info at all… such as a SWAG on when support might make it to a beta or production client would be greatly appreciated. I had to abandon using PfSense for a new install because I needed a 4 NIC on-board solution and the only mobos I could find that fit the bill were Supermicro with the i210.

                Now I'm stuck using Untangle, Smoothwall, etc. until this becomes an option for PfSense.  :-(

                Not that I've heard. I've still got the support ticket open but it's not really a priority for me anymore.  I decided to go with the older Lanner FW-8865 with (12) i350 NICs instead.  The small performance boost from Haswell isn't worth the compatibility issues of bleeding-edge hardware.

                I can break anything.

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                  Aluminum
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                  @Jason:

                  The small performance boost from Haswell isn't worth the compatibility issues of bleeding-edge hardware.

                  This, not sure why people are dead set on having haswell, its fine if the caveats do not apply to your use case but there are tons of brand new ivy bridge systems and parts for sale. The $/perf on ivy is higher in most cases right now, "new n' shiny" tends to command a premium. Even some sandy bridge stuff has discounts right now that might be the best option, and it sure ain't no pentium 4 space heater. Its a router, not a cell phone, you don't need this quarter's model :)

                  The performance and power difference of the last 3 "generations" is often barely above the statistical anomaly threshold. New features are nice, but working feature birds are worth 10 in the bush. (your network is probably the slowest thing anyways)

                  For petes sake though, don't buy atom junk ;)

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                    Guest
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                    @Jason:

                    pair of the new Lanner FW-8771 boxes…

                    Netgate now has one of these in-house.  You can draw your own conclusions.

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                      dhiltonp
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                      I built my own image with haswell nic support, but it wasn't exactly trivial - that is to say, the changes necessary aren't hard, but getting a working build environment took some effort.

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                        jasonlitka
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                        @dhiltonp:

                        I built my own image with haswell nic support, but it wasn't exactly trivial - that is to say, the changes necessary aren't hard, but getting a working build environment took some effort.

                        Does ALTQ work?

                        In any case, my FW-8865 boxes with the i350 NICs are here.  Haven't had a chance to set them up yet, can't figure out the default IP for the IPMI card…

                        I can break anything.

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                          dhiltonp
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                          No, ALTQ doesn't work. I'd prefer to have it, but this box and a 24 port switch are replacing my failing dd-wrt consumer router; it's a pretty big upgrade as is.

                          If I notice QoS issues, I may have to revisit my solution (preferably in software, but maybe in hardware).

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                            Finger79
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                            Hey everyone, first post to the forum.  I've been live with pfSense at home for several weeks now.  Very new to the project and very enthusiastic about the community.  I built a brand new 2U rackmount form factor with new components as a fun project:

                            Case:  Rosewill RSV-Z2600 – cheap case but annoyed mobo and PSU are backwards like most cheap cases
                            Power Supply:  Seasonic SSR-360GP -- 360W 80 Plus Gold
                            CPU:  Intel Xeon E3-1220v3 (Haswell 4th Generation) 3.1 GHz quad core, no hyperthreading
                            Mobo:  Supermicro X10SLM+-LN4F -- 4 Intel i210 NICs on board.
                            RAM:  Kingston KVR16E11/8EF -- 16GB DDR3 1600 MHz ECC server RAM
                            HDD:  Crucial M4 64GB MLC SSD -- had this lying around, never used.  Reading into turning on TRIM, haven't done so yet

                            I knew going into this from reading this forum that the i210 was too new and wasn't natively supported.  The uncompiled drivers are available on Intel's site, and I chose the ones that were backwards compatible with FreeBSD 8.x.

                            I'm new to FreeBSD but after installing pfSense memstick to HDD it would not fully boot up due to lack of NIC drivers.  I was at least expecting to get to a working shell so I could mount a USB flash drive, copy the driver source code, and compile on pfSense.  But the "Escape to shell" seemed to be a watered down shell and not the full shell, so it didn't support many commands.  Couldn't mount a USB flash drive nor could I use any text editor.

                            Anyway, ended up downloading the full FreeBSD 8.3 64-bit ISO from FreeBSD's site and spinning up a fresh VirtualBox VM.  Successfully compiled the Intel drivers and got the "if_igb.ko" driver I was looking for (yessss, my precious!).  I ended up using the pfSense ISO (as opposed to the memstick download) since I needed to inject the driver file and loader.conf file into the ISO prior to installing to the server, so I extracted the pfSense ISO, copied the driver, then basically used another program to write to the USB flash drive.

                            Wow, what a long, scenic route just to get it working.  On first boot, all went very well and the i210 NICs were recognized by pfSense and I was able to begin initial config.  I fully realize traffic shaping issues are present, but I'm not using any of that.

                            Anyways, I wanted to share my frustrations and eventual success so that others who have the i210 NICs can use pfSense 2.1 at least until 2.2 is released based on FreeBSD 10.x with native support.

                            I uploaded the driver as .txt so the forum would accept it.  Please strip off the extension.  Mods/admins: apologies if this is forbidden -- I don't know of anywhere else to upload this in order to share it.  Note, this driver was compiled on FreeBSD 8.3 64-bit, not 32-bit.

                            • Copy the driver to:
                              /boot/kernel/
                              (I didn't find a need to add it to /boot/modules/)

                            • In /boot/loader.conf, add the line:
                              if_igb_load="YES"

                            if_igb.ko.txt

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                              Nice first post.  :)
                              The .txt suffix sometimes causes problems with file corruption (on the older forum code at least). Do you have the MD5 hash of the kernel module to check?

                              As you found there are no build tools included in pfSense for a number of reasons.

                              Steve

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                                Finger79
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                                MD5:  419F0DA227322FEE06DCB835C14D53DB
                                SHA-1:  078FB6C206BA2E865006A8B093CAAC72820E4022
                                SHA-256:  2618048F471A27A03C8B588AA1716516C25B768EAD23BDA655B46579265DB236

                                Man, I love "HashTab" for Windows.  Best hash extension ever.  ( http://implbits.com/HashTab.aspx )

                                And yeah, it was more than not having a build tool.  Without recognizing the NICs on the first pfSense boot, I couldn't even get into a "real" FreeBSD Shell, so I couldn't mount a USB device or use any built-in text editors.  Like the keyboard driver was really messed up and everything was on one line… After hours of frustration I just decided to do everything on a real FreeBSD 8.3 VM and copy all that stuff back on the pfSense ISO, burn ISO bit-wise to memstick, then boot the real box off custom memstick.

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                                • stephenw10S
                                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                  Hmm, well you should be able to do all that. pfSense is FreeBSD underneath. The ee text editor is included, or vi if your inclined to use it.  ;)

                                  Edit: Seems to download fine with the .txt extension though I have no way of testing it.

                                  Steve

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                                    Guest
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                                    @Jason:

                                    No.  The driver in 2.1 isn't new enough.  If you have an active support subscription then they can send you an updated driver which will work but it was pulled out of 2.1 because it breaks ALTQ (you won't have traffic shaping).

                                    I have an open ticket with support on a patch from a newer commit to FreeBSD that MAY fix the issue but it may not and if so it likely won't get resolved until 2.2 is released (or whatever the version number is that builds on FreeBSD 10).

                                    I'm crossing my fingers though as I'd love to be able to drop in a pair of the new Lanner FW-8771 boxes…

                                    Jason,

                                    Guess what we got in on Monday at Netgate (also pfSense HQ) this past Monday.  8) 8) 8)

                                    IJS

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                                      jasonlitka
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                                      How do you like it?  I was considering those but just didn't want to deal with the hassle of bleeding-edge hardware that wouldn't be properly supported for 6 months.  I had a failing box and needed a replacement then.

                                      Anyway, I absolutely love the 8865 boxes I bought.  I'm considering tossing in some 10Gbe ports but I'm planning on holding off on that until you guys kick out 2.2.

                                      I can break anything.

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                                        hjvg
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                                        i did wat you sayed finger but still my network card is not showing.

                                        this is how i did installed pfsense with a usb netwerk adapter then went to the shell added the file from your post added in the config and rebooted the pc but then it still did not show the network adapter.

                                        or is this file only working for the i210 and not for the i217-v?

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                                          brenno
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                                          same here. Driver seems to work fine for i210 but not the i217 version.

                                          @Finger79: Is it possible that you can create a driver for the i217? Would be great!

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                                          • stephenw10S
                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                            Hmm, the i217-v appears to be still using the em driver which I didn't expect:
                                            https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=17509

                                            No version of the igb driver is going to help in that case. You'll have to compile a newer em version.

                                            Steve

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