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    Using a hard-disk in a Watchguard Firebox X750e for cache/log storage

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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
      last edited by

      Nice write-up, however I think I'm with ghostshell here. What is the advantage of doing this over running a full install booting from the hd?

      Steve

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        Steve Evans
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        CF is more reliable for read-only access and a rotating-rust hard disk will last much longer than an SSD where a lot of writes are being performed. This combo therefore makes (cheap) sense for a proxy cache.

        One downside is speed… I'm only getting about 4.5Mbytes/s IO on the hard-disk which is no faster than my broadband connection.

        Has anybody tested SSD speed using diskinfo?

        The following is from a 40G 5400rpm drive, a Seagate ST9402115A:

        diskinfo -tv /dev/ad1
        /dev/ad1
        	512         	# sectorsize
        	40007761920 	# mediasize in bytes (37G)
        	78140160    	# mediasize in sectors
        	0           	# stripesize
        	0           	# stripeoffset
        	77520       	# Cylinders according to firmware.
        	16          	# Heads according to firmware.
        	63          	# Sectors according to firmware.
        	5PV09ZED    	# Disk ident.
        
        Seek times:
        	Full stroke:	  250 iter in   8.014669 sec =   32.059 msec
        	Half stroke:	  250 iter in   6.244615 sec =   24.978 msec
        	Quarter stroke:	  500 iter in   9.976294 sec =   19.953 msec
        	Short forward:	  400 iter in   3.585714 sec =    8.964 msec
        	Short backward:	  400 iter in   2.533780 sec =    6.334 msec
        	Seq outer:	 2048 iter in   0.433188 sec =    0.212 msec
        	Seq inner:	 2048 iter in   0.384784 sec =    0.188 msec
        Transfer rates:
        	outside:       102400 kbytes in  22.705212 sec =     4510 kbytes/sec
        	middle:        102400 kbytes in  22.845457 sec =     4482 kbytes/sec
        	inside:        102400 kbytes in  22.782483 sec =     4495 kbytes/sec
        

        Steve

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
          last edited by

          But what happens if the disk fails? Will the box still boot? If not then you'd be better off just booting from the HD. At least then you can update the firmwhere without having to modify the scripts again.

          Steve

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            Steve Evans
            last edited by

            Yes, the rc.embedded change will only use the disk if the required partition is present. If not it will revert to the original ramdisk. So, this gives all the benefits of the solid state CF for long term reliability, but also provides for graceful failure. If the disk fails, just pull it from the rear of the box, then pfSense can be up and running while you wait for a new disk to arrive off eBay, plug in the new one and carry on, albeit having lost some logs and the (not very valuable) cached data which is probably stale by that point anyway.

            If fact, even if somebody tells me that an SSD is fast by comparison, I'll probably still stick with the CF for the OS, and the SSD for /var. Now that I have this working, I'm considering a 32G SSD drive as they're cheap, and spread over that size, the amount of writing my pfSense installation will do will probably see it last well.

            Steve

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            • stephenw10S
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
              last edited by

              @Steve:

              Yes, the rc.embedded change will only use the disk if the required partition is present. If not it will revert to the original ramdisk. So, this gives all the benefits of the solid state CF for long term reliability, but also provides for graceful failure.

              Ok, you've clearly thought this through.
              Personally the ability to upgrade the firmware without having to re-edit the scripts outweighs the advantages offered by running from flash. That's just my situation though.

              Steve

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                Steve Evans
                last edited by

                Hi Steve,

                What scripts are you referring to?

                I run bacula on my home network, and my pfsense box has been added to that regime, so I could perform an upgrade and then restore modified scripts if desired.

                Steve

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                  last edited by

                  @Steve:

                  What scripts are you referring to?

                  /etc/rc.embedded

                  If you can restore it easily enough then I guess it's less of an issue. Having more options is always good.

                  Steve

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                    Steve Evans
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                    Thanks to a post HERE by stephenw10 I've realised that my hard disk didn't have DMA enabled.

                    [2.1-RELEASE][admin@pfsense]/root(18): atacontrol mode ad1
                    current mode = PIO4 
                    [2.1-RELEASE][admin@pfsense]/root(19): atacontrol mode ad1 UDMA6
                    current mode = UDMA33 
                    [2.1-RELEASE][admin@pfsense]/root(20): diskinfo -tv /dev/ad1
                    /dev/ad1
                    	512         	# sectorsize
                    	40007761920 	# mediasize in bytes (37G)
                    	78140160    	# mediasize in sectors
                    	0           	# stripesize
                    	0           	# stripeoffset
                    	77520       	# Cylinders according to firmware.
                    	16          	# Heads according to firmware.
                    	63          	# Sectors according to firmware.
                    	5PV09ZED    	# Disk ident.
                    
                    Seek times:
                    	Full stroke:	  250 iter in   7.989798 sec =   31.959 msec
                    	Half stroke:	  250 iter in   6.254760 sec =   25.019 msec
                    	Quarter stroke:	  500 iter in   9.845523 sec =   19.691 msec
                    	Short forward:	  400 iter in   3.577064 sec =    8.943 msec
                    	Short backward:	  400 iter in   2.471400 sec =    6.179 msec
                    	Seq outer:	 2048 iter in   0.187117 sec =    0.091 msec
                    	Seq inner:	 2048 iter in   0.332214 sec =    0.162 msec
                    Transfer rates:
                    	outside:       102400 kbytes in   3.476458 sec =    29455 kbytes/sec
                    	middle:        102400 kbytes in   3.863341 sec =    26506 kbytes/sec
                    	inside:        102400 kbytes in   5.491517 sec =    18647 kbytes/sec
                    

                    Up to six times the speed. I'm happy with that!

                    Now to figure out the neatest way to invoke that command on boot. Adding it to startup using shellcmd is the simplest way, but I daresay there's a more appropriate "freebsd" place for it.

                    Steve

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                      demco
                      last edited by

                      @Steve:

                      Now to figure out the neatest way to invoke that command on boot. Adding it to startup using shellcmd is the simplest way, but I daresay there's a more appropriate "freebsd" place for it.

                      Steve

                      Setting these sysctl variables, in loader.conf.local, didn't enable DMA?

                      hw.ata.wc="1"
                      hw.ata.atapi_dma="1"
                      hw.ata.ata_dma="1"

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                      • stephenw10S
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                        last edited by

                        Doing that enables DMA globally which includes the CF card. Since the CF-IDE adapter in the firebox doesn't support DMA it will fail to boot with pages of DMA errors.

                        Looks like the Shellcmd package is the way to go, no way of selectively enabling DMA per device.
                        Have you tried any BIOS DMA settings?

                        Steve

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                          Steve Evans
                          last edited by

                          Hi Steve,

                          Indeed, the issue here was that I wanted to selectively enable DMA on the hard disk only.

                          No, I've not looked at the BIOS. With a current uptime of 50 days I'm loathed to reboot it to be honest. What BIOS settings are there?

                          Steve

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                          • stephenw10S
                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                            last edited by

                            There are options for dma mode for primary master and slave separately. However those options were originally hidden and they are both set to UDMA disabled by default. Since udma still seems to be available maybe those options are not implemented. Easy test though.

                            Steve

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                              sg1
                              last edited by

                              Now I followed the post (which is exactly what I wanted to do as well) but for whatever reason, I have two /var still mounted.  I have rebooted it a couple of times to see if I can see where it occurs or why, but have not been able to figure it out.  Any suggestions I can check as to why?  Otherwise, it works perfectly.  df -h is below:
                              Filesystem          Size    Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
                              /dev/ufs/pfsense0    442M    379M    28M    93%    /
                              devfs                1.0k    1.0k      0B  100%    /dev
                              /dev/ufs/cf          49M    1.4M    44M    3%    /cf
                              /dev/ad1s1a          36G    10k    33G    0%    /var
                              /dev/md0              38M    90k    35M    0%    /tmp
                              /dev/md1              57M    17M    35M    33%    /var
                              devfs                1.0k    1.0k      0B  100%    /var/dhcpd/dev

                              Thanks for any help!

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                              • stephenw10S
                                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                last edited by

                                What does your modified rc.embedded look like?
                                You should see the various messages from the modified script in the boot log, are you seeing those? Are they correct?

                                Steve

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                                  Steve Evans
                                  last edited by

                                  The memory device /dev/md1 is still being created/mounted so as Stephen says you've got an issue with the startup script.

                                  Steve

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                                    sg1
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                                    No.  I see now, that it is incorrect.  I still have the original being mounted due to it.  My question is, where specifically in the original rc.embedded do I change with the Steve's changes as there are other calls in the script that I am not sure are needed or not.  Apologies, just new to the pfsense and Watchguard platforms so I am sure my questions are on the the dumber side….  The original rc.embedded is below:

                                    rc.embedded - embedded system specific startup information

                                    For pfSense

                                    Size of /tmp

                                    USE_MFS_TMP_SIZE=/usr/bin/grep use_mfs_tmp_size /cf/conf/config.xml | /usr/bin/cut -f2 -d'>' | /usr/bin/cut -f1 -d'<'

                                    if [ ! -z ${USE_MFS_TMP_SIZE} ] && [ ${USE_MFS_TMP_SIZE} -gt 0 ]; then
                                            tmpsize="${USE_MFS_TMP_SIZE}m"
                                    else
                                            tmpsize="40m"
                                    fi

                                    Size of /var

                                    USE_MFS_VAR_SIZE=/usr/bin/grep use_mfs_var_size /cf/conf/config.xml | /usr/bin/                                                                                 cut -f2 -d'>' | /usr/bin/cut -f1 -d'<'
                                    if [ ! -z ${USE_MFS_VAR_SIZE} ] && [ ${USE_MFS_VAR_SIZE} -gt 0 ]; then
                                            varsize="${USE_MFS_VAR_SIZE}m"
                                    else
                                            varsize="60m"
                                    fi

                                    Run some initialization routines

                                    [ -f /etc/rc.d/uzip ] && /etc/rc.d/uzip start

                                    echo -n "Setting up memory disks…"
                                    mdmfs -S -M -s ${tmpsize} md /tmp
                                    mdmfs -S -M -s ${varsize} md /var

                                    Create some needed directories

                                    /bin/mkdir -p /var/db

                                    Ensure vi's recover directory is present

                                    /bin/mkdir -p /var/tmp/vi.recover/
                                    echo " done."

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                                      Steve Evans
                                      last edited by

                                      Here is the complete patched /etc/rc.embedded.

                                      #!/bin/sh
                                      #
                                      # rc.embedded - embedded system specific startup information
                                      # For pfSense
                                      
                                      # Size of /tmp
                                      USE_MFS_TMP_SIZE=`/usr/bin/grep use_mfs_tmp_size /cf/conf/config.xml | /usr/bin/cut -f2 -d'>' | /usr/bin/cut -f1 -d'<'`
                                      if [ ! -z ${USE_MFS_TMP_SIZE} ] && [ ${USE_MFS_TMP_SIZE} -gt 0 ]; then
                                      	tmpsize="${USE_MFS_TMP_SIZE}m"
                                      else
                                      	tmpsize="40m"
                                      fi
                                      
                                      # Size of /var
                                      USE_MFS_VAR_SIZE=`/usr/bin/grep use_mfs_var_size /cf/conf/config.xml | /usr/bin/cut -f2 -d'>' | /usr/bin/cut -f1 -d'<'`
                                      if [ ! -z ${USE_MFS_VAR_SIZE} ] && [ ${USE_MFS_VAR_SIZE} -gt 0 ]; then
                                      	varsize="${USE_MFS_VAR_SIZE}m"
                                      else
                                      	varsize="60m"
                                      fi
                                      
                                      # Run some initialization routines
                                      [ -f /etc/rc.d/uzip ] && /etc/rc.d/uzip start
                                      
                                      echo -n "Setting up memory disks..."
                                      mdmfs -S -M -s ${tmpsize} md /tmp
                                      
                                      # If a hard disk is installed then mount that on /var
                                      # otherwise use a ramdisk
                                      harddisk="/dev/ad1s1a"
                                      if [ -c $harddisk ]
                                      then
                                      	echo -n "Using /var physical disk..."
                                      	mount -o noatime $harddisk /var
                                      
                                      	# Ensure /var/run is removed on boot before daemons are started
                                      	# It should arguably be a tmpfs, but this works fine
                                      	rm -r /var/run
                                      
                                      	# sshd won't start if /var/empty exists on boot
                                      	rm -r /var/empty
                                      else
                                      	echo -n "Using /var memory disk..."
                                      	mdmfs -S -M -s ${varsize} md /var
                                      
                                      	# Create some needed directories
                                      	/bin/mkdir -p /var/db
                                      
                                      	# Ensure vi's recover directory is present
                                      	/bin/mkdir -p /var/tmp/vi.recover/
                                      fi
                                      
                                      echo " done."
                                      
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                                        sg1
                                        last edited by

                                        Thank you so much Steve!  Works perfectly.  Thanks for your patience….

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                                          atrocity
                                          last edited by

                                          only my result of a x5500e with a ide SSD from CWC :

                                          /dev/ad1s1a
                                                  512            # sectorsize
                                                  57872344064    # mediasize in bytes (53G)
                                                  113031922      # mediasize in sectors
                                                  0              # stripesize
                                                  40448          # stripeoffset
                                                  112134          # Cylinders according to firmware.
                                                  16              # Heads according to firmware.
                                                  63              # Sectors according to firmware.
                                                  OW140822AS1514144      # Disk ident.

                                          Seek times:
                                                  Full stroke:      250 iter in  0.040570 sec =    0.162 msec
                                                  Half stroke:      250 iter in  0.037379 sec =    0.150 msec
                                                  Quarter stroke:  500 iter in  0.125276 sec =    0.251 msec
                                                  Short forward:    400 iter in  0.093555 sec =    0.234 msec
                                                  Short backward:  400 iter in  0.096201 sec =    0.241 msec
                                                  Seq outer:      2048 iter in  0.169674 sec =    0.083 msec
                                                  Seq inner:      2048 iter in  0.123082 sec =    0.060 msec
                                          Transfer rates:
                                                  outside:      102400 kbytes in  1.124830 sec =    91036 kbytes/sec
                                                  middle:        102400 kbytes in  1.128009 sec =    90779 kbytes/sec
                                                  inside:        102400 kbytes in  1.125042 sec =    91019 kbytes/sec

                                          seems that i don't have to tune anything.
                                          I will make the same test with a x750e soon, will let you know if somebody is interrested :)
                                          Regards

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                                          • stephenw10S
                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                            What tool are you testing that with? Did you enable TRIM? Be interesting to see how those figures vary over time once you've moved a few gigs across the drive.

                                            Steve

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