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    Please HELP!! 4WAN to 1LAN LB wont work!

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Routing and Multi WAN
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    • dotdashD Offline
      dotdash
      last edited by

      @Fluidic:

      In the router under - Firewall>NAT – I do not see any rules there at all. Every tab is empty.

      Ok. That's fine. It means you are using automatic OB NAT. As long as your WAN interfaces have a gateway defined and your LAN doesn't, everything should work.
      @Fluidic:

      Netgate has 6 ports (eth0 - eth5)
      Default ports are eth4 (LAN) and eth5 (WAN)

      Really? That sounds like Linux terminology. I would expect them to be something like em0-em5
      The Interfaces should be easy to configure. If they do not show in the GUI, go to interfaces, assign.
      Go to the OPTx interface, enable it, and select 'static IPv4' Then enter the IP, subnet mask, and gateway. Save the gateway, then save the Interface. (You have public IPs, correct?) At this point, if the gateway modem is up, you should see the status of the gateway as up. Try only plugging one in at once so you can verify you have the correct port patched to the correct modem.

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      • F Offline
        Fluidic
        last edited by

        Sorry Linux background…

        Consider eth0 to be em0 in this case they are exactly the same. Under Interfaces I have em0-5
        It looks like this:

        em0=WAN1
        em1=WAN2
        em2=WAN3
        em3=WAN4
        em4=LAN1 (Default - 192.168.1.1)
        em5=WAN5 (Default set by Netgate this interface works)

        All my modems are static IPs, each one has a different gateway.

        Lets say the IPs for the modems are

        10.11.12.13
        9.10.11.12
        8.9.10.11
        7.8.9.10

        The gateways from my ISP always end in 254 so...

        10.11.12.13 would have a gateway of 10.11.12.254
        9.10.11.12 would have a gateway of 9.10.11.254
        and so on.

        The subnet from the ISP is always 255.255.255.0 (24)

        When I setup the interface I'm selecting Static IPv4, entering 10.11.12.13 as the IP, selecting 24 after the /, and putting the gateway in as 10.11.12.254, I then leave both the boxes checked for blocking private networks. Save the changes.

        What now? What is OPTx? I don't see this anywhere...

        -Fluidic

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        • F Offline
          Fluidic
          last edited by

          After setting the static IP/net/gateway for the new interfaces I then go to Status>Gateways to check on the status of the new interface.

          Every time I setup a new interface the gateway shows 100% packet loss OFFLINE.

          However if I use the same settings on em5 (the default WAN port) and test the same modem on that port the gateway will show as online with 5% packet loss.

          -Fluidic

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          • dotdashD Offline
            dotdash
            last edited by

            Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Did you buy this from the store pre-loaded? You may be eligible for tech support if so.

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            • T Offline
              timthetortoise
              last edited by

              @Fluidic:

              What now? What is OPTx? I don't see this anywhere…

              OPTx is an interface that is not the default WAN or LAN. In other words, the ones you named WANx were OPTx originally. You did rename them yourself, right? Or, as dotdash is asking, did you buy a pre-built solution?

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                Fluidic
                last edited by

                @timthetortoise:

                @Fluidic:

                What now? What is OPTx? I don't see this anywhere…

                OPTx is an interface that is not the default WAN or LAN. In other words, the ones you named WANx were OPTx originally. You did rename them yourself, right? Or, as dotdash is asking, did you buy a pre-built solution?

                Oooooh. Ok. Yes I did rename them myself to keep organized, I have labeled my modems WAN1, WAN2, WAN3, WAN4 then labeled them the same in the router so I could tell at a glance which was which.

                For organization I wanted WAN1 to plug into em0 (labeled as 1 on the physical router itself) which is why they are named that way. I did the same with my switch for the wireless APs (Port 1 is AP1, port 2 is AP2 and so on) then to top it off the cat6 wiring is all color coded to signify different appliances. (eg. Yellow cat6 is a modem, red cat6 is from the router to the switch, blue from the switch to the APs.)

                But anyway, my organization aside. Netgate promised me that getting 4 modems on 4 different gateways into the router would be very easy. :(

                I also purchased premium tech support with this router (over $1000CAD paid for this product/support). I'm going to hold off on bashing the ever loving beans out of Netgate as my ticket with them is still open. However the ticket has been open for a few days and I'm not holding my breath.

                -Fluidic

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                • F Offline
                  Fluidic
                  last edited by

                  Some more info:

                  Netgate got back to me on my ticket… NOT happy with the news I was given... Apparently pfSense isn't able to use multi-WAN if the modems are on the same SUBNET?!?!

                  Every subnet from my ISP is 255.255.255.0 - When I called to ask if they are able to change the subnet I was told they only offer 255.255.255.0

                  This makes absolutely zero sense to me, I have setup load balancing and fail over in many other kinds of routers. In those routers there was no requirement to even have separate gateways, let alone different gateways AND subnets...

                  So now I have 4 modems on 4 different gateways, with 4 different IPs... Anyone have any ideas about the subnet thing?

                  -Fluidic

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                  • dotdashD Offline
                    dotdash
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                    The same subnet does not just mean the subnet mask. e.g. If your modems were on 1.2.3.4/24 1.2.3.5/24, etc. that would not work. If they were on 1.2.5.6/24 and 1.2.6.7/24 that would work, as they would be on two separate subnets. You could have two modems with 255.255.255.0 (/24) subnets as long as the first three octets (1.2.3) were NOT identical. I would guess your problem is that they all use the same gateway. That will not work. Sorry your ISP sucks. In the US, at least, that would not be considered a business-class connection. If other providers are available, the best situation is to have connections from different providers.

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                      Fluidic
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                      @dotdash:

                      The same subnet does not just mean the subnet mask. e.g. If your modems were on 1.2.3.4/24 1.2.3.5/24, etc. that would not work. If they were on 1.2.5.6/24 and 1.2.6.7/24 that would work, as they would be on two separate subnets. You could have two modems with 255.255.255.0 (/24) subnets as long as the first three octets (1.2.3) were NOT identical. I would guess your problem is that they all use the same gateway. That will not work. Sorry your ISP sucks. In the US, at least, that would not be considered a business-class connection. If other providers are available, the best situation is to have connections from different providers.

                      The IPs are like this…

                      204.16.64.69  - IP on WAN1
                      204.16.64.254- Gateway on WAN1
                      255.255.255.0- Subnet on WAN1

                      69.71.11.30  - IP on WAN2
                      69.71.11.254- Gateway on WAN2
                      255.255.255.0- Subnet on WAN2

                      71.39.111.14  - IP on WAN3
                      71.39.111.254- Gateway on WAN3
                      255.255.255.0- Subnet on WAN3

                      64.9.42.92 - IP on WAN4
                      64.9.42.254 - Gateway on WAN4
                      255.255.255.0 - Subnet on WAN4

                      They are all completely separate IPs on different gateways, the only thing that is the same is the fact that they all use 255.255.255.0 as the subnet... This still will not work?

                      -Fluidic

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                      • dotdashD Offline
                        dotdash
                        last edited by

                        Assuming your real numbers are similar, they should work. (I'm assuming an ISP that was assigning IPs from a /24 would not be capable of offering IP space from four different providers. It is within the realm of possibility that I am in error)
                        The important points would be that you are getting public addresses, that they are not using the same gateway, and that the IPs are not on the same subnet. (they could have the same subnet mask).

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                          timthetortoise
                          last edited by

                          @Fluidic:

                          @dotdash:

                          The same subnet does not just mean the subnet mask. e.g. If your modems were on 1.2.3.4/24 1.2.3.5/24, etc. that would not work. If they were on 1.2.5.6/24 and 1.2.6.7/24 that would work, as they would be on two separate subnets. You could have two modems with 255.255.255.0 (/24) subnets as long as the first three octets (1.2.3) were NOT identical. I would guess your problem is that they all use the same gateway. That will not work. Sorry your ISP sucks. In the US, at least, that would not be considered a business-class connection. If other providers are available, the best situation is to have connections from different providers.

                          The IPs are like this…

                          204.16.64.69  - IP on WAN1
                          204.16.64.254- Gateway on WAN1
                          255.255.255.0- Subnet on WAN1

                          69.71.11.30  - IP on WAN2
                          69.71.11.254- Gateway on WAN2
                          255.255.255.0- Subnet on WAN2

                          71.39.111.14  - IP on WAN3
                          71.39.111.254- Gateway on WAN3
                          255.255.255.0- Subnet on WAN3

                          64.9.42.92 - IP on WAN4
                          64.9.42.254 - Gateway on WAN4
                          255.255.255.0 - Subnet on WAN4

                          They are all completely separate IPs on different gateways, the only thing that is the same is the fact that they all use 255.255.255.0 as the subnet... This still will not work?

                          -Fluidic

                          That will work fine. The subnet mask in combination with the IP address is what determines your subnet, and none of them are the same. Let Netgate know that they are all indeed different subnets.

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