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    Jumbo frame problem with ESXi 5.5 and vmxnet3 driver

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    • I Offline
      ivanhoek
      last edited by

      Interesting, I've only made changes via the GUI. Never made changes in the CLI.

      I do see that route get shows the 1500 MTU and agree that is the reason for my problem.

      Not sure how to resolve that though.

      Do you have any ideas?

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        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
        last edited by

        try resetting it in the gui, say back to 1500 and then to 9000 again.

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          ivanhoek
          last edited by

          Well, it definitely doesn't work for me. I don't have the JUMBO_MTU under ifconfig, even though I do show the 9000 MTU.

          em1: flags=8943 <up,broadcast,running,promisc,simplex,multicast>metric 0 mtu 9000
          options=9b <rxcsum,txcsum,vlan_mtu,vlan_hwtagging,vlan_hwcsum>ether redacted
          inet redacted netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast redacted
          inet6 redacted prefixlen 64
          inet6 fe80::1:1%em1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2
          nd6 options=1 <performnud>media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT <full-duplex>)
          status: active

          When I do route get for a host, I see 1500 MTU.

          route get redacted
            route to: redacted
          destination: redacted
                mask: 255.255.255.0
            interface: em1
                flags: <up,done>recvpipe  sendpipe  ssthresh  rtt,msec    mtu        weight    expire
                0        0        0        0      1500        1        0

          I've even rebooted..

          Should I be using the vmx drivers? Does this not work with EM?

          Regards,</up,done></full-duplex></performnud></rxcsum,txcsum,vlan_mtu,vlan_hwtagging,vlan_hwcsum></up,broadcast,running,promisc,simplex,multicast>

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            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
            last edited by

            well that might be an issue..  did you install the open vmware tools, ie the package or the actual tools from vmware?

            I am running the actual tools from vmware for the driver of vmxnet3

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              ivanhoek
              last edited by

              Yes, I had openVMtools from the Pfsense package repository.

              I've just reworked my setup and I'm now running native Vmtools from VMware as well, and using vmxnet3. Same exact results:

              vmx3f2: flags=8943 <up,broadcast,running,promisc,simplex,multicast>metric 0 mtu 9000
                      options=403bb <rxcsum,txcsum,vlan_mtu,vlan_hwtagging,jumbo_mtu,vlan_hwcsum,tso4,tso6,vlan_hwtso>ether redacted
                      inet redacted netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast redacted
                      inet6 redacted prefixlen 64
                      inet6 fe80::1:1%vmx3f2 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3
                      nd6 options=1 <performnud>media: Ethernet 10Gbase-T
                      status: active

              [2.1.4-RELEASE][root@pfsense]/root(10): route get redacted
                route to: redacted
              destination: redacted
                    mask: 255.255.255.0
                interface: vmx3f2
                    flags: <up,done>recvpipe  sendpipe  ssthresh  rtt,msec    mtu        weight    expire
                    0        0        0        0      1500        1        0

              The host (a VM on the same host on another NIC) I'm issuing route get against is configured for MTU of 9000 and can use that MTU when communicating with my NAS.</up,done></performnud></rxcsum,txcsum,vlan_mtu,vlan_hwtagging,jumbo_mtu,vlan_hwcsum,tso4,tso6,vlan_hwtso></up,broadcast,running,promisc,simplex,multicast>

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                cmb
                last edited by

                FreeBSD 8.3 has an issue where changing the MTU doesn't update the MTU of any of the affected routes until you either manually change it, or reboot the system.

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                  ivanhoek
                  last edited by

                  Okay,

                  That's good to know. I have rebooted though, I even rebooted the entire VM host to be sure with no change..

                  How do I manually change the MTU for a route? Will that change stick through reboots?

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                    ivanhoek
                    last edited by

                    Well, new quirk.. If I try to set lower values on the GUI, the actually take properly.

                    So if I set the MTU to be 2000, it works.
                    If I set it to be 8000, it works.
                    If I set it to be 8999, it works.

                    However, if I set it to be 9000, it won't take and the previous value is preserved.

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                      ivanhoek
                      last edited by

                      Well, nevermind that.. if I reboot then the MTU for the route goes back to 1500, yet the interface is set to 8000 (for example).

                      I give up. There's clearly something wrong, but I can't figure out what or how to fix it permanently.

                      I'll try again on a future release.

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                      • johnpozJ Offline
                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                        last edited by

                        before you were not even using vmx interface you were on em

                        interface: em1

                        So that would explain why no jumbo_mtu listed for the interface.

                        I have not had to reboot anything to get this working.  You running 32 or 64 bit pfsense?

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                          ivanhoek
                          last edited by

                          It's 64 bit Pfsense. What could explain the behavior I saw where only the 9000 value for MTU won't take? Any other value works.. at least until I reboot, and then it doesn't.

                          In all cases the MTU is set on the interface, but the routes are not flagged with the appropriate MTU when it's set to 9000 or after rebooting if set to another value.

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                            cmb
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                            I think there are multiple issues at play here. FreeBSD 8.3 has issues in not updating the MTU on routes in jumbo frame scenarios at times, potentially both for the link routes and any associated static routes. Scripting a "route change x.x.x.x/x -mtu 9000" at boot time for all required routes is a suitable workaround where you encounter that and the NIC driver properly handles jumbo frames. vmxnet on 8.3 just doesn't work with jumbo frames from what I've seen. Similar for Broadcom NICs, though those are very reliable and well-performing NICs, in 8.3 they don't work with jumbo frames (an oddity of the hardware that wasn't properly accommodated in the driver at that time, it's since been fixed). These issues have all already been confirmed fixed in FreeBSD 10 and hence 2.2.

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                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                              "vmxnet on 8.3 just doesn't work with jumbo frames"

                              Looks to be working to me - what driver did you test with?  I don't really see a need for jumbo in my home network.  It would just complicate the connections and not all devices support them.  I could always segment out even more and put my non jumbo on their own segment, etc.  Seems kind of pointless for what I am doing.

                              As you can see from thread I was able to ping at the full mtu - but be happy to do some other testing to validate its working.

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