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    Jumbo frame problem with ESXi 5.5 and vmxnet3 driver

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    • johnpozJ Offline
      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
      last edited by

      try resetting it in the gui, say back to 1500 and then to 9000 again.

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        ivanhoek
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        Well, it definitely doesn't work for me. I don't have the JUMBO_MTU under ifconfig, even though I do show the 9000 MTU.

        em1: flags=8943 <up,broadcast,running,promisc,simplex,multicast>metric 0 mtu 9000
        options=9b <rxcsum,txcsum,vlan_mtu,vlan_hwtagging,vlan_hwcsum>ether redacted
        inet redacted netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast redacted
        inet6 redacted prefixlen 64
        inet6 fe80::1:1%em1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2
        nd6 options=1 <performnud>media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT <full-duplex>)
        status: active

        When I do route get for a host, I see 1500 MTU.

        route get redacted
          route to: redacted
        destination: redacted
              mask: 255.255.255.0
          interface: em1
              flags: <up,done>recvpipe  sendpipe  ssthresh  rtt,msec    mtu        weight    expire
              0        0        0        0      1500        1        0

        I've even rebooted..

        Should I be using the vmx drivers? Does this not work with EM?

        Regards,</up,done></full-duplex></performnud></rxcsum,txcsum,vlan_mtu,vlan_hwtagging,vlan_hwcsum></up,broadcast,running,promisc,simplex,multicast>

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        • johnpozJ Offline
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
          last edited by

          well that might be an issue..  did you install the open vmware tools, ie the package or the actual tools from vmware?

          I am running the actual tools from vmware for the driver of vmxnet3

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            ivanhoek
            last edited by

            Yes, I had openVMtools from the Pfsense package repository.

            I've just reworked my setup and I'm now running native Vmtools from VMware as well, and using vmxnet3. Same exact results:

            vmx3f2: flags=8943 <up,broadcast,running,promisc,simplex,multicast>metric 0 mtu 9000
                    options=403bb <rxcsum,txcsum,vlan_mtu,vlan_hwtagging,jumbo_mtu,vlan_hwcsum,tso4,tso6,vlan_hwtso>ether redacted
                    inet redacted netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast redacted
                    inet6 redacted prefixlen 64
                    inet6 fe80::1:1%vmx3f2 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3
                    nd6 options=1 <performnud>media: Ethernet 10Gbase-T
                    status: active

            [2.1.4-RELEASE][root@pfsense]/root(10): route get redacted
              route to: redacted
            destination: redacted
                  mask: 255.255.255.0
              interface: vmx3f2
                  flags: <up,done>recvpipe  sendpipe  ssthresh  rtt,msec    mtu        weight    expire
                  0        0        0        0      1500        1        0

            The host (a VM on the same host on another NIC) I'm issuing route get against is configured for MTU of 9000 and can use that MTU when communicating with my NAS.</up,done></performnud></rxcsum,txcsum,vlan_mtu,vlan_hwtagging,jumbo_mtu,vlan_hwcsum,tso4,tso6,vlan_hwtso></up,broadcast,running,promisc,simplex,multicast>

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              cmb
              last edited by

              FreeBSD 8.3 has an issue where changing the MTU doesn't update the MTU of any of the affected routes until you either manually change it, or reboot the system.

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                ivanhoek
                last edited by

                Okay,

                That's good to know. I have rebooted though, I even rebooted the entire VM host to be sure with no change..

                How do I manually change the MTU for a route? Will that change stick through reboots?

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                  ivanhoek
                  last edited by

                  Well, new quirk.. If I try to set lower values on the GUI, the actually take properly.

                  So if I set the MTU to be 2000, it works.
                  If I set it to be 8000, it works.
                  If I set it to be 8999, it works.

                  However, if I set it to be 9000, it won't take and the previous value is preserved.

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                    ivanhoek
                    last edited by

                    Well, nevermind that.. if I reboot then the MTU for the route goes back to 1500, yet the interface is set to 8000 (for example).

                    I give up. There's clearly something wrong, but I can't figure out what or how to fix it permanently.

                    I'll try again on a future release.

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                    • johnpozJ Offline
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                      last edited by

                      before you were not even using vmx interface you were on em

                      interface: em1

                      So that would explain why no jumbo_mtu listed for the interface.

                      I have not had to reboot anything to get this working.  You running 32 or 64 bit pfsense?

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                        ivanhoek
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                        It's 64 bit Pfsense. What could explain the behavior I saw where only the 9000 value for MTU won't take? Any other value works.. at least until I reboot, and then it doesn't.

                        In all cases the MTU is set on the interface, but the routes are not flagged with the appropriate MTU when it's set to 9000 or after rebooting if set to another value.

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                          cmb
                          last edited by

                          I think there are multiple issues at play here. FreeBSD 8.3 has issues in not updating the MTU on routes in jumbo frame scenarios at times, potentially both for the link routes and any associated static routes. Scripting a "route change x.x.x.x/x -mtu 9000" at boot time for all required routes is a suitable workaround where you encounter that and the NIC driver properly handles jumbo frames. vmxnet on 8.3 just doesn't work with jumbo frames from what I've seen. Similar for Broadcom NICs, though those are very reliable and well-performing NICs, in 8.3 they don't work with jumbo frames (an oddity of the hardware that wasn't properly accommodated in the driver at that time, it's since been fixed). These issues have all already been confirmed fixed in FreeBSD 10 and hence 2.2.

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                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                            "vmxnet on 8.3 just doesn't work with jumbo frames"

                            Looks to be working to me - what driver did you test with?  I don't really see a need for jumbo in my home network.  It would just complicate the connections and not all devices support them.  I could always segment out even more and put my non jumbo on their own segment, etc.  Seems kind of pointless for what I am doing.

                            As you can see from thread I was able to ping at the full mtu - but be happy to do some other testing to validate its working.

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