Was: Ubiquiti edgerouter lite support? / Now: random hate
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It wasn't "deleted by accident", multiple people reported it as spam, I glanced at it, seemed a lot like spam, deleted it. If I see spam reports from multiple people, I don't necessarily look extremely closely at the thread. I will from now on.
Google archive probably has the thread, they're pretty much constantly crawling this site, you can copy/paste re-post if you'd like.
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@cmb:
It wasn't "deleted by accident", multiple people reported it as spam, I glanced at it, seemed a lot like spam, deleted it. If I see spam reports from multiple people, I don't necessarily look extremely closely at the thread. I will from now on.
Google archive probably has the thread, they're pretty much constantly crawling this site, you can copy/paste re-post if you'd like.
Once a mistake is made, it was either done on purpose or it was done by accident. So are you telling me you had the time to send me a message saying the thread "seems like spam or blatant self-promotion", but you didn't actually have the time to read the thread?
What happened was hours was spent to help people here discover new and useful things (the few thank you messages I received in such a short time proved the thread was helpful), and I had almost all the angle covered, posting links to multiple shops that had the same item, posting the actual keyword used to find those links, making it obvious it'd be almost impossible for me to have financial gain from the thread, but I made one mistake, I assumed the people who run things here were professionals who actually wanted to help people.
So some idiots got bitter and jealous and reported bullshits to a clicking robot so it can ruin things for everyone, well it's not like I was going around every god damn thread posting about the finds, there are hundreds of eBay links left untouched in this forum so I don't know what kind of broken logic they used to justify that crap.
Yeah and that strategy worked really well too, now the two items in the original thread are separated into TWO threads attracting even more clicks in less time, and the links to Taobao agents are included so people don't even have to ask how to buy them this time. And I am going to set up mechanisms to alert me every time these two threads disappear from page 1, I have plenty of information on unique and useful hardware for this community to keep the thread fresh and useful so those threads are going to stay up for months until I am satisfied or of course until the bitter idiots manage to find more excuses to get the threads deleted.
"404. That’s an error.", there is your Google archive.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." - George Carlin
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@DragonPF:
Your googlefu is weak ;)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OyYjpBhA6g8J:https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php%3Ftopic%3D75262.0+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=chOT: my personal opinion of this:
Your actions/reactions on this forum represent you in a very unprofessional light.
Try to write less verbose rants (less paranoid) and keep to facts and less speculation.
Attacking people personally doesn't make you friends either… -
My second post in this thread. lol, I guess I jinxed myself:
Anyway I do NOT want to turn this thread into a discussion on alternatives to the edgerouter. That's what new threads are for.
DragonPF,
he's willing to waste his time to work for someone who only pay him $200 for a project.
If you are going to twist someones words make sure the history of the entire conversation is not published in writing on the internet.
$200 + labor for the edgerouter solution would be a much easier sell.
In case you do not understand what "+ labor" means it is the cost of the equipment in addition to the cost of the labor that is required to install and configure the equipment. Nowhere in this thread did I indicate what my hourly rate is.
I just don't understand what kind of network admin needs a team of support staff to operate a $99 router.
I don't know where you are getting this "team of support staff" thing from as there is no mention of it here.
I can think of one scenario where this "team of support staff" might apply. The small business customer would be one such example. Most small businesses can not afford to hire a full time IT person. So they might hire an IT firm to do work for them on an adhoc basis. This IT firm might have a "team of support staff" that supports many local small businesses.I understand that you think that all of the Ubiquiti fans are wasting their time. Everyone is welcome to have their own opinions. Just please be respectful of other peoples opinions as well.
If you continue to be disrespectful and misquote other forum members it is completely understandable why your posts are deleted.
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@DragonPF:
Your googlefu is weak ;)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OyYjpBhA6g8J:https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php%3Ftopic%3D75262.0+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=chOT: my personal opinion of this:
Your actions/reactions on this forum represent you in a very unprofessional light.
Try to write less verbose rants (less paranoid) and keep to facts and less speculation.
Attacking people personally doesn't make you friends either…Let me get this straight:
1. I spent hours giving value to the community, got some great feedback.
2. My work and the valuable inputs from other members got messed with and was destroyed. (bad)
3. I was accused of being a spammer. (worse)
4. I was accused of being a spammer who probably wouldn't even make $1000 if I really was wasting my time spamming here. (much much worse)
5. I made attempts to defuse bad situations before they got worse in a polite and respectful manner.
6. The deleted thread was not handled in a professional way.
7. This forum isn't professional enough to have an undelete function.
8. A "Global" moderator who had nothing to do with this decided to jump in.
9. Instead of defusing the situation, this moderator decided to begin his conversation with a personal attack.
10. This moderator then move on to give me life lessons on being professional and how to make friends.
11. The original thread had posts up to page 3 when it was deleted.
12. When the thread got deleted the first thing I checked was Google cache but none of them even had page 2.
13. I have the backup of the last of the many edits of the first post, and have already used it to start a new thread.
14. This moderator then told me my "googlefu" was weak, but then posted a Google cache that was saved when the thread was brand new, had less info than my backup, had zero replies and was only viewed 19 times.So my personal opinion of your personal opinion is you really don't want to get personal and you need to learn to keep your mouth shut.
On this forum you may be a "Global" moderator, but outside this forum you're just a rookie EE. The world is a strange strange place, much stranger than you would like to believe, never mess with people you don't know unless they mess with you first.
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In case you do not understand what "+ labor" means it is the cost of the equipment in addition to the cost of the labor that is required to install and configure the equipment. Nowhere in this thread did I indicate what my hourly rate is.
I no longer have anything to say to you. I am sure you are making millions with $99 routers.
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You're proving my point ;)
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Wow, this has got out of hand quickly! :o
@DragonPF: You've opened my eyes to some new hardware that I was not aware of and more choices are always good, Thankyou. The prices seem very good (almost too good!) for the equipment on offer. I'll await the reviews of others who have ordered.
However, you seem to be taking other peoples criticism of the hardware too personally. You have responded to that by not only criticising the ERL but also the decision of others to buy one often in a tone that boarders on offensive. :(There's no need for it to come to this.
Steve
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@cmb:
It wasn't "deleted by accident", multiple people reported it as spam, I glanced at it, seemed a lot like spam, deleted it. If I see spam reports from multiple people, I don't necessarily look extremely closely at the thread. I will from now on.
Google archive probably has the thread, they're pretty much constantly crawling this site, you can copy/paste re-post if you'd like.
Once a mistake is made, it was either done on purpose or it was done by accident. So are you telling me you had the time to send me a message saying the thread "seems like spam or blatant self-promotion", but you didn't actually have the time to read the thread?
What happened was hours was spent to help people here discover new and useful things (the few thank you messages I received in such a short time proved the thread was helpful), and I had almost all the angle covered, posting links to multiple shops that had the same item, posting the actual keyword used to find those links, making it obvious it'd be almost impossible for me to have financial gain from the thread, but I made one mistake, I assumed the people who run things here were professionals who actually wanted to help people.
So some idiots got bitter and jealous and reported bullshits to a clicking robot so it can ruin things for everyone, well it's not like I was going around every god damn thread posting about the finds, there are hundreds of eBay links left untouched in this forum so I don't know what kind of broken logic they used to justify that crap.
Yeah and that strategy worked really well too, now the two items in the original thread are separated into TWO threads attracting even more clicks in less time, and the links to Taobao agents are included so people don't even have to ask how to buy them this time. And I am going to set up mechanisms to alert me every time these two threads disappear from page 1, I have plenty of information on unique and useful hardware for this community to keep the thread fresh and useful so those threads are going to stay up for months until I am satisfied or of course until the bitter idiots manage to find more excuses to get the threads deleted.
"404. That’s an error.", there is your Google archive.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." - George Carlin
I ran across your thread(s) earlier, and pointed them out to the person responsible for sourcing new hardware. Hint: it's neither cmb nor I, though we do have some credible opinion.
I never considered deleting them.
If Chris made a mistake, he's owned up to it. Don't feel attacked.
While he CPU/SoC inside the ERL is the same architecture as that found in some of the underpowered routers you name, it is expressly NOT the same CPU. Cavium and Atheros are different companies.
Also, the ERL is $99, in a box, with 512MB ram and 2GB USB storage. Your Celeron will be considerably more than $99 when equipped with RAM and storage. Your allocation of costs "$15 marketing, $15 rent, $15 salary, $15 accounting and legal fees" seems a bit out of whack, but at least you understand that there are costs. That's good.
Perhaps you'll become an advocate for pfSense Gold. :-)
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I am using 12 of the ERLite ($88 when I picked them up) at sites with back to an ERPro-8 at our main site, running 2 subnets at each site with voip on one and a total of 4 tunnels between each single site in a full mesh and squidguard filtering. These are amazing little boxes for the price and would just like to +1 them in this out of control thread. Before I discovered them I tested reflashing the bios on an $179 Asus chromebox and since I couldn't bring up pfsense directly brought it up in a virtual machine on ubuntu server on the chromebox with 3 virtual nics. The ERLite was a much cleaner and easier solution (3 physical nics, wall mountable) and would be really nice to have the option of pfSense on them. These were easy to come by on newegg or B&H, couldn't find any comparable x86 boxes in the price range that fix the need this well. Ordering from newegg is much easier for me than ordering from some random seller in China also and I have an actual company I can RMA to if need be and I can see tons of previous reviews on the product.