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    • DerelictD
      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
      last edited by

      No.  You're using two out of three 2.4 channels.

      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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        BlazeStar
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        @Derelict:

        Note that - if you VLAN - the regular Wi-Fi network will be sent by the AP as untagged and the airport's guest wi-fi network will be tagged with 1003 so you could do this with one AP, or put both SSIDs in both locations with two APs.  So you could just create vlan 1003, create the guest interface, and only put a CP on that.

        You run out of (2.4GHz) channels so fast as it is, putting multiple APs in place for multiple SSIDs should be avoided.

        So I'm trying to figurer out how to do what you're describing because I find it very interesting.

        I'm quite a n00b in networking so forgive my idiotic questions please.

        Basically you're saying to create a VLAN: how do I do that?

        And then to tag the Airport's network guest wifi with 1003: how do I do that?

        Then create the guest interface (in pfSense I guess) and put a CP on that: what's a CP? Captive Portal?

        Any tutorial could help me achieve this?

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        • DerelictD
          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
          last edited by

          Something like this.  The untagged VLAN can be anything you want.  Apple currently tags the guest SSID with 1003.  This is an edict from them and I don't know if it can be changed.

          Yes, you unfortunately have to mix untagged and tagged traffic like this to use an airport.  Those Ciscos further up, if multiple APs work together and "elect" one of them as a basic controller (and even if not), look like a really good deal.

          Wi-Fi-VLANs-Airport.png
          Wi-Fi-VLANs-Airport.png_thumb

          Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
          A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
          DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
          Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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            BlazeStar
            last edited by

            @Derelict:

            Something like this.  The untagged VLAN can be anything you want.  Apple currently tags the guest SSID with 1003.  This is an edict from them and I don't know if it can be changed.

            Yes, you unfortunately have to mix untagged and tagged traffic like this to use an airport.  Those Ciscos further up, if multiple APs work together and "elect" one of them as a basic controller (and even if not), look like a really good deal.

            The problem I'm having right now is that the guest network option will not show up.

            A bit of research led me to understand that the guest network option will only appear if the Airport is NOT in bridge mode.

            Now I think I need to set it in bridge mode, so the Airport uses the DHCP from pfSense, unless I'm wrong ?

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            • DerelictD
              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
              last edited by

              You want it in bridge mode anyway.  Let pfSense be your router.

              I believe in bridge mode you connect the WAN port of the airport to your network, which is pretty much opposite of what I'd do.

              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
              Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                BlazeStar
                last edited by

                @Derelict:

                You want it in bridge mode anyway.  Let pfSense be your router.

                I believe in bridge mode you connect the WAN port of the airport to your network, which is pretty much opposite of what I'd do.

                But that's my point!

                My Airport Extreme IS in bridge mode.

                Therefore I lose the Guest Network option!

                If I want the Guest Network option to show up again, then I need to change the mode to DHCP or NAT + DHCP, which I don't want to!

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                • DerelictD
                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                  last edited by

                  You don't lose the guest network option.  Well, at least I don't.  Hmm.  I don't get an option on my older one.  It's not a dual-band.

                  On my newer, dual-radio Airport Express I can still set up a guest network.

                  Sorry.  Didn't mean to mislead you.

                  Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                  A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                  DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                  Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                    BlazeStar
                    last edited by

                    @Derelict:

                    You don't lose the guest network option.  Well, at least I don't.  Hmm.  I don't get an option on my older one.  It's not a dual-band.

                    On my newer, dual-radio Airport Express I can still set up a guest network.

                    Sorry.  Didn't mean to mislead you.

                    No misleading at all, I appreciate your comments very much.

                    But check out this link:

                    http://www.macinstruct.com/node/541

                    Requirements and Factoids
                    The base station should be configured as your primary router and not as a bridge.

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                    • DerelictD
                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                      last edited by

                      It will function as an AP with two SSIDs just fine in bridge mode.

                      Primary SSID will be untagged.  Guest SSID will be tagged 1003.

                      I'm on 7.6.4

                      Internet->DHCP

                      Network->Off (Bridge Mode)

                      Wireless->Create a wireless network  - set primary, enable guest network, set secondary.

                      WAN port plugged into switch.

                      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                        Guest
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                        That's cool.  Where did you find that out?

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                        • DerelictD
                          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                          last edited by

                          Saw the guest network option, turned it on, and took a capture.  Then some google to confirm the hard-set 1003 tag.

                          Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                          A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                          DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                          Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                            BlazeStar
                            last edited by

                            @Derelict:

                            It will function as an AP with two SSIDs just fine in bridge mode.

                            Primary SSID will be untagged.  Guest SSID will be tagged 1003.

                            I'm on 7.6.4

                            Internet->DHCP

                            Network->Off (Bridge Mode)

                            Wireless->Create a wireless network  - set primary, enable guest network, set secondary.

                            WAN port plugged into switch.

                            I'm getting really annoyed at my Airport Extreme.

                            I am also on 7.6.4.

                            My set up is exactly as you described it above.

                            Yet when I got into create a wireless network, the guest network option is non existent.

                            http://cl.ly/image/3C0r1x151v3R

                            (sorry it's in French)

                            I'm about to throw the Airport Extreme in the wall ;)

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                            • DerelictD
                              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                              last edited by

                              It's only supported on the newer ones.

                              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                              Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                BlazeStar
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                                @Derelict:

                                It's only supported on the newer ones.

                                Then I think I'll go ahead and buy an Airport Express.

                                Thanks !

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