Why does Gigabit throughput require such high end hardware?
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"Luckily" I have no requirement for 10gb Ethernet currently for my personal use.
It would be nice to have but unless I upgraded all my drives and interfaces internally as well as 10gb internet suddenly becoming commonly available to consumers at a medium consumer price, I'd see no improvement.Everything else would need to improve dramatically also for me to notice a difference.
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@gonzopancho:
You know this is almost exactly what people said about GigE 12+ years ago, right?
And 12+ years ago that was true. I had nothing in my house that was capable of filling a 1Gbps connection anyway just as today a 10Gbps network at home would be completely wasted.
The only real consideration here, for me at least, is that 10Gb Networks will inevitably become mainstream in likely less than 10 years but the time period between house re-wiring is substantially longer than that. For many years the maxim 'put Cat5 everywhere' has held true but should we now be fitting Cat6? Or something else, fibre everywhere? If that going to entail much more rigorous cable routing requirements?Steve
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At some point I will probably go with TLC drives for storage archive only and probably will continue to run a raid of either standard platter drives or SLC raid for the OS. If that happens and if my wan speed multiplies by more than 20x and if I have something distant on the web to also connect to that and that can also support greater than gigabit at the ISP, I will definitely be replacing all my networking stuff…
But I think we are about 10 years out for that in most of the world,. Maybe 5 in Asia. For the usa, its hard to know. There are pockets of excellence with google fiber here and there, but mostly network speeds have been stagnant for years. USA is trying to come in dead last technology wise lately with everything except missiles and drones.
For USA it might be a 20 year wait for GB network speed to be common place at the home ISP providers.
Notice I said GB... Not 10GB. Lord only knows how long that may take.
By then I can grab a 10GB switch for $50 and 10GB NICs used on ebay for $15
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For USA it might be a 20 year wait for GB network speed to be common place at the home ISP providers.
I dont know about that… Well maybe for rural areas which is a problem right now for HSD.. But I do know of 2 MSOs that will be deploying 1GB speeds within 2 years. There are a few companies that offer fiber which can do GB but I only know of 1 right now that offers it... Of course you'll have to live in a dense area because ROI is there for the MSOs.
Cracks me up.. The US is normally the first to deploy gen1 infrastructure before most other countries then within 5-10+ years, we're behind and stay behind :-(
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Yep - I have fiber right to the outer wall of a house in Maryland and I'm sure the network and the backbone could carry gigabit to each and every home so equipped. Do they do it?
Nope - Not while they can make their customers think 50/50 is fast and should cost $100…
Part of it is the stupidity of the customers collectively for not just unplugging til the companies become competitive.
I've turned off cell services, internet, cable you name it when I didn't like the cost and the companies think they have me over a barrel.
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I have fiber to my house with 1Gbps service offerings from two different providers (AT&T and Grande) now, and Google is coming this year. Grande terminates a peered OC-48 at the data center next door to work. (We have 2 x 10Gbps between the buildings, and a cabinet there, so the slow part of the path is the first hop. RTT is nearly always < 5ms.)
Price is circa $65/mo. I won't rest until I can run IPSec to work at 1Gbps, either.
People at work thought I was insane when I pit 10Gbps into all the servers. Then I pointed out that the economics were better for 10G. 10Gb Ethernet NICs are under $250 (NEW). 10G switch ports are under $100 now. 40G NICs and switch ports are less than 2X these prices.
Of course, I belive that $50 switches and $15 NICs are only good enough for the most basic of setups.
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Well yeah - Like home when your WAN speed seems permanently stuck in 2005… Like most of the USA.
I'm just saying - I'm not going to remodel my houses internet in hopes that my ISP will get its crap together.
I think I will do it when they get their crap together.
When my home 10/100 broadcom nic gets outpaced by the ISP (lets hope soon), and I'm finally using 1/10th of what my 1GB network can give me, I'll consider 10GB.
And don't even get me talking about the slow "broadband" connection from here in the Philippines back to my home network in Maryland...
Its slightly faster than using pigeons.
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"Minneapolis residents to get 10-gigabit fiber, for $400 per month. Single gigabit access is already available for $65 per month."
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/12/minneapolis-residents-to-get-10-gigabit-fiber-for-400-per-month/NG2-PON is entering testing in the USA. 10gb/2.5gb + WDM, making the head unit port capable of 320gb/s bidirectional. The only reason for the 2.5gb up is the more expensive lasers needed in the customer's ONT. The actual spec is 10/10, but will be 10/2.5 for practical cost reasons.
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There are pockets of excellence.
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One of those "pockets of excellence" is about to be New York (both the state and city):
http://www.nysbroadband.ny.gov/broadband-goals
Basically, the minimum service in the state will be 100Mbps down / 50Mbps up unless you're super-rural, in which case it's 25Mbps down.
The US has a more general plan to deliver similar speeds to at 100 million homes by 2020.
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Plans are nice…
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So is government force.
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Government forcing standards and prodding along progress would be nice.
I have a very bleak outlook on plans and promises.
I think it would be nice if we got back at trying to be the best in the world with tech and industry.
Having blazing fast internet couldn't hurt. If that got combined with dirt cheap power it would make even more difference. -
I picked up an Ubiquity Edge Router Lite and have been fooling with it, not what I need but an interesting little $100 box.
For testing Vyatta style CLI out or learning this the router is really one of the best.
For a small router inside of SMB networks (LAN) it could be also a really good router.The web GUI (that I really need as I"m not a network expert) is really limited and much of the configuration must be done at the command line mode.
But if you have to install and configure 150 routers, you will love it because you
can use a script to do the most things!The increased cost of 10gb yet alone the increase power usage of 10gb switches and NICs is hard to justify at home. I hope some next gen ASICs bring down power/heat and cost.
Not the best network company, not the best switch, but 2 SFP+ ports!
D-Link DGS-1510-20 for ~200 €! -
Power isn't that big of an issue if you are not running lots of hardware in a data center or running off solar.
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The max wattage on several 24 port 10Gb switches is in the 200-300 range, which is about the same as my *computer, my wife's *computer, my 24port 1Gb switch and firewall put together. Idle power isn't much better, typically only low double digit percentages less.
*Excluding monitors
Once we start seeing 10Gb fabbed in the 20nm or 15nm ranges, the power consumption should be dramatically reduced.
There is already talk about 2.5Gb and 5Gb standards. I guess these can easily done with current fabs and are able to get full rates at 100m over CAT5e and CAT6 respectively. 2.5Gb is supposed to be nearly identical power consumption as 1Gb.
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The max wattage on several 24 port 10Gb switches is in the 200-300 range, which is about the same as my *computer, my wife's *computer, my 24port 1Gb switch and firewall put together. Idle power isn't much better, typically only low double digit percentages less.
*Excluding monitors
Once we start seeing 10Gb fabbed in the 20nm or 15nm ranges, the power consumption should be dramatically reduced.
There is already talk about 2.5Gb and 5Gb standards. I guess these can easily done with current fabs and are able to get full rates at 100m over CAT5e and CAT6 respectively. 2.5Gb is supposed to be nearly identical power consumption as 1Gb.
2.5G is a backplane technology. The only IEEE standards activity in this area is a "study group", which is not a "working group".
The call for forming a working group has been voted down, repeatedly: http://www.ieee802.org/3/minutes/nov03/1103_CFI_2_5G_report.pdf,
but the parties concerned managed to pass a vote for a "study group" last November.So good luck with that. Low-power 10GbaseT PHYs are already starting to appear, and many manufacturers are starting to "build in" 10Gbps on their SoC and motherboard designs. Once you have it on the desktop, it will start to appear in SMB and Enterprise. The datacenter will always be fiber (cross cabinet) or coax (in-cabinet).
Netgear sells an 8-port 10Gb switch that consumes 58.8W, max. How many computers did you have in your house again?
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I don't think the power requirement of my switch is a big deal for my house…
So many places to save power that if my switch is not super-green, I will live.
Its nice to find a good fast green one, but 60w isn't going to break me.
I'm not dismissing the need for low power equipment. I'm just saying.
Unless you are running ALOT of switches, one burning more than 5w isn't the end of the world for a home network.
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All powered by the NSA :D
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Well - For those guys, 1w differences on hardware adds up quick. 60w switches would be a huge deal when you have 1000s upon 1000s of switches. haha