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    Accessing specific VLANs via VPN?

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    • DerelictD Offline
      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
      last edited by

      You have a mess on your hands.  How about an example of two problematic, conflicting networks, all the IP schemes and interfaces involved, and what you have and do not have the power to control or change?  Please be as detailed as possible, but stick to two (or three) "guest networks" and perhaps one community server.

      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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      • D Offline
        dokument
        last edited by

        Here is an example.

        VLAN1

        • Server A
        • 172.16.1.1
        • 172.16.1.0/24 Network
        • FTP server
        • I have control over this ip scheme

        VLAN2

        • Workstation A
        • 172.16.2.1
        • 172.16.2.0/24 Network
        • Needs FTP access to Server A
        • I need to be able to access any machine on any port on VLANS 10-12
        • I have control over this ip scheme

        VLAN10

        • 172.16.10.0/24 Network full of devices
        • All devices need ftp access to Server A
        • I do not have control over this ip scheme

        VLAN11

        • 172.16.10.0/24 Network full of devices
        • All devices need ftp access to Server A
        • I do not have control over this ip scheme

        VLAN12

        • 172.16.1.0/24 Network full of devices
        • All devices need ftp access to Server A
        • I do not have control over this ip scheme

        Thanks,
        .dok

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        • DerelictD Offline
          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
          last edited by

          And what are VLAN10 and VLAN11 using for routers?  What is their default gateway? How do they get internet? Do you control that piece?

          Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
          A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
          DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
          Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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          • D Offline
            dokument
            last edited by

            On VLAN10 and VLAN11 all devices are statically ip'd. They do not have (nor do they need) internet access. They are all connected to the pfsense box via a vpn connection.

            I can set the gateway on all of the devices but that is all. Setting pfsense as the gateway would allow me to do routing on the pfsense box correct?

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            • DerelictD Offline
              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
              last edited by

              You're going to need to better describe your topology.  What on VLAN10 and 11 is making the VPN connection?  What type of VPN?  If they're behind a VPN router why are you calling it a VLAN?  Is there a managed switch somewhere?  Do you control that?

              I'm thinking some sort of 1:1 NAT might work for you, but it depends.

              You really should tell them they have to renumber and do something sane with your subnets.  That is the best solution to your problem.  Let me guess:  They don't want to spend any money either.

              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
              Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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              • D Offline
                dokument
                last edited by

                You called it.

                I will simplify the setup some more.

                VLAN 1

                • Server A
                • 172.16.1.1
                • 172.16.1.0/24 Network
                • FTP server
                • I have control over this ip scheme

                VLAN 2

                • Workstation A
                • 172.16.2.1
                • 172.16.2.0/24 Network
                • Needs FTP access to Server A
                • I need to be able to access any machine on any port on Networks 2-4
                • I have control over this ip scheme

                Network 1

                • Contains VLAN1 and VLAN 2
                • Gateway is my pfsense box.

                Network 2

                • IPsec VPN to pfsense box
                • 172.16.10.0/24 Network full of devices
                • All devices need ftp access to Server A
                • I do not have control over this ip scheme
                • This network does not need to be able to talk to any other network directly

                Network 3

                • IPsec VPN to pfsense box
                • 172.16.10.0/24 Network full of devices
                • All devices need ftp access to Server A
                • I do not have control over this ip scheme
                • This network does not need to be able to talk to any other network directly

                Network 4

                • IPsec VPN to pfsense box
                • 172.16.1.0/24 Network full of devices
                • All devices need ftp access to Server A
                • I do not have control over this ip scheme
                • This network does not need to be able to talk to any other network directly

                I assumed that Networks 2-4 would each have their own vlan but that is not necessary.

                Is there anything else that I can do to make this easier to understand? Like drawing a picture?

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                • DerelictD Offline
                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                  last edited by

                  Diagrams are always good.  What type of IPsec VPN are they connecting with?  Site-to-Site via a router (what are the routers) or are all the workstations individually connecting using Remote Access?

                  Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                  A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                  DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                  Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                  • D Offline
                    dokument
                    last edited by

                    Here is a rough drawing.

                    site to site (I do not know the routers and they are guaranteed not to be the same since the number of these networks are growing.)

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                    • DerelictD Offline
                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                      last edited by

                      I'm going to have to build that.  I honestly don't know if IPsec has enough flexibility for that.  I know I could figure something out with OpenVPN assigned interfaces for each endpoint, but that does you no good.

                      Are you using pfSense 2.1.5 or 2.2?

                      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                      • D Offline
                        dokument
                        last edited by

                        I am using 2.2 but I can definitely change versions if that helps.

                        What options could I have with OpenVPN? I doubt I could make that an option but it would still be nice to know.

                        Thank you for your help.

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                        • DerelictD Offline
                          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                          last edited by

                          I'm not going to waste any time labbing this.  Jim pretty much sums it up here:

                          https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=47349.msg249020#msg249020

                          Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                          A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                          DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                          Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                          • D Offline
                            dokument
                            last edited by

                            Thank you

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                            • DerelictD Offline
                              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                              last edited by

                              And to answer your prior question…

                              With OpenVPN you can assign interfaces to OpenVPN server instances then, on that interface, perform 1:1 NAT.

                              So you would be connecting to distinct IP addresses and they would be NAT translated.  You'd still have your work cut out for you.  They would all have unique IP addresses as far as pfSense is concerned.  On the ones that are the same scheme as the local pfSense networks, you'd have to translate both source and destination IPs.

                              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                              Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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