Pfsense custom build help $450 budget from ($200)
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After a lot of reading and talking to "Kejianshi" he/she has helped me narrow down to an Supermicro Atom C2758. My only questions is what is the difference from "Supermicro Atom F2758" VS "Supermicro Atom C2758"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FM4M7TQ/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=0JMQYZYFD0V62GEB6E1B&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=1970559082&pf_rd_i=desktop
VS
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GO9E61K/ref=psdc_1048424_t2_B00FM4M7TQ
The only thing I noticed is that the Supermicro Atom C2758 has a form factor: Mini-ITX while the Atom F2758 has a form factor: MicroATX
I decided to up my budge from $200 to around $450 in hoping to build a quality piece of hardware for my basic needs. AKA just learning more networking
Any feedback would be great.
Also thanks again "kejianshi" you have really helped me a lot.
Also I am using Amazon because I have found the price to be about the same as newegg other then a mark up of $4 on amazon. But I have Amazon Prime and thats 2 day shipping.
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You haven't mentioned what bandwidth you hope to get through the firewall which is absolutely crucial in any hardware decision.
Steve
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I really don't know the difference in those two and I wonder if the FC is just referencing FC-BGA 1283 socket?
Maybe someone else knows better.
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stephenw10, for the record, I agree. Knowing the bandwidth needs is important. I recommended that board because he asked me "If you were going to spend $400 +/- , which board would you pick?"
Easy - The 8 core atom. It can run pfsense in a couple of cores plus other things you might want to add also.
However, I still think you can get away with spending $150ish if all you need is pfsense on a 100/100 plan or lower typical home connection.
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You haven't mentioned what bandwidth you hope to get through the firewall which is absolutely crucial in any hardware decision.
Steve
I currently have around 100mb with my current provider. I use OpenVPN and my bandwidth takes a huge hit currently. I didn't state what speed I need because I am using this for educationally purpose. I also noticed that the Micro Atx has extra pci slots.
I plan on using 4g ecc ram. I feel that this setup is going to fit more then what I actually need. I just can't see a real difference between the two motherboards.
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I've got a couple of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apex-Mini-ITX-AL-8250SFX-Intel-D410PT-Atom-2GB-DDR2-160GB-DVD-RW-Complete-PC-/281582664738?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item418fa27c22 that I yanked the dvd drive from and added a dual broadcom Gig NIC card to (three NIC's total). I don't need all of them. If you want one, I'd send it to you for $65 plus whatever the actual shipping cost is.
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It's hard to recommend anything other than the Rangely Atoms right now since so many of the reference platforms are going that way. If you can afford it.
If you need to push 100Mbps of VPN traffic that immediately rules out some things, both the previously linked older Atom boards for example.Steve
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Thanks "stephenw10" if you had to pick between the two boards what one would you pick? Between the two its about a $30 price difference. How much bandwidth do you think the Atom C2758 or Atom F2758 can handle?
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I've got a couple of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apex-Mini-ITX-AL-8250SFX-Intel-D410PT-Atom-2GB-DDR2-160GB-DVD-RW-Complete-PC-/281582664738?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item418fa27c22 that I yanked the dvd drive from and added a dual broadcom Gig NIC card to (three NIC's total). I don't need all of them. If you want one, I'd send it to you for $65 plus whatever the actual shipping cost is.
Honestly that looks great and the offer is appreciated, I am looking to build something myself. I am a young college student that just got out of high school. This system that I am building would be for educational purpose. I don't need top end sever hardware, just something that is not low end and won't really do anything for me.
If any questions arise please ask. Or any feedback would be great.
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if you had to pick between the two boards what one would you pick? Between the two its about a $30 price difference. How much bandwidth do you think the Atom C2758 or Atom F2758 can handle?
There's not much in it. I guess if you have a space requirement go for the mini-ITX.
It can handle a lot of bandwidth. >1Gb/s of firewall/NAT. >1Gbps of VPN once Quick Assist is enabled by all accounts. These Atom CPUs are nothing like Atoms of old.
Steve
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if you had to pick between the two boards what one would you pick? Between the two its about a $30 price difference. How much bandwidth do you think the Atom C2758 or Atom F2758 can handle?
There's not much in it. I guess if you have a space requirement go for the mini-ITX.
It can handle a lot of bandwidth. >1Gb/s of firewall/NAT. >1Gbps of VPN once Quick Assist is enabled by all accounts. These Atom CPUs are nothing like Atoms of old.
Steve
Wait these newer Atoms can handle 1GB NAT WAN to LAN???/ hmmmm…
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Read up on your motherboard to be sure you can install only 4gb RAM. Go to the manufacturer website, nowhere else. I got a supermicro c2758 board and while I wasn't shopping for 4gb ram I also don't think I saw it in the list of compatible configurations. You need 2 sticks for most of these boards. I got 2x8gb sticks for mine so I can upgrade to 32 if performance is good enough for extra VMs.
The rest of you, go read intel's documentation for these rangely c2*58 chips. They are intended to replace i7s and even e-series chips for router, firewall and vpn duty.
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Biggest difference I see is the memory type supported and the input power options. If you are going with one of these boards, I would go with the same one used by the pfSense team in there store. I'm not sure, but I would guess it is probably the A1SRi-2758F.
You could purchase it in a cbare bones config with case and power if you wanted to up your budget.
http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1u/5018/sys-5018a-ftn4.cfm
http://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-Rackmount-Barebone-Components-SYS-5018A-FTN4/dp/B00G3ED7D4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1423114535&sr=8-1&keywords=SYS-5018A-FTN4
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101837&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC--pla--Server+Barebones-_-N82E16816101837&gclid=CPH49vuJysMCFQYJaQodLm4AWw&gclsrc=aw.ds
A1SRi-2758F
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/atom/x10/a1sri-2758f.cfmKey Features
1. Intel
Atom processor C2758, SoC,
FCBGA 1283, 20W 8-Core
2. Up to 64GB DDR3 1600MHz ECC
SO-DIMM in 4 DIMM sockets
3. Quad GbE LAN ports
4. IPMI with dedicated LAN
5. 2x SATA3 and 4x SATA2 ports
6. 1x PCI-E 2.0 x8 slot
7. 4x USB 3.0 (2 rear, 1 via header,
1 Type A), 2x USB 2.0 ports (rear)
8. 12V DC or ATX Power input
9. Operating Temperature: 0°C - 60°C
10. 7-Year product lifeA1SRM-2758F
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Atom/X10/A1SRM-2758F.cfmKey Features
1. Intel Atom processor C2758, SoC,
FCBGA 1283, 20W 8-Core
2. Up to 64GB DDR3 1600MHz ECC or
non-ECC UDIMM in 4 DIMM sockets
3. Quad GbE LAN ports
4. IPMI with dedicated LAN
5. 2x SATA3 and 4x SATA2 ports
6. 1x PCI-E 2.0 x8, 1x PCI-E 2.0 x4
7. 7x USB 2.0 ports
8. Operating Temperature: 0°C - 60°C
9. 7-Year product life -
Biggest difference I see is the memory type supported and the input power options. If you are going with one of these boards, I would go with the same one used by the pfSense team in there store. I'm not sure, but I would guess it is probably the A1SRi-2758F
A1SRi-2758F
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/atom/x10/a1sri-2758f.cfmKey Features
1. Intel Atom processor C2758, SoC,
FCBGA 1283, 20W 8-Core
2. Up to 64GB DDR3 1600MHz ECC
SO-DIMM in 4 DIMM sockets
3. Quad GbE LAN ports
4. IPMI with dedicated LAN
5. 2x SATA3 and 4x SATA2 ports
6. 1x PCI-E 2.0 x8 slot
7. 4x USB 3.0 (2 rear, 1 via header,
1 Type A), 2x USB 2.0 ports (rear)
8. 12V DC or ATX Power input
9. Operating Temperature: 0°C - 60°C
10. 7-Year product lifeA1SRM-2758F
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Atom/X10/A1SRM-2758F.cfmKey Features
1. Intel Atom processor C2758, SoC,
FCBGA 1283, 20W 8-Core
2. Up to 64GB DDR3 1600MHz ECC or
non-ECC UDIMM in 4 DIMM sockets
3. Quad GbE LAN ports
4. IPMI with dedicated LAN
5. 2x SATA3 and 4x SATA2 ports
6. 1x PCI-E 2.0 x8, 1x PCI-E 2.0 x4
7. 7x USB 2.0 ports
8. Operating Temperature: 0°C - 60°C
9. 7-Year product lifeMotherboard
I have decided to go with A1SRM-2758F - the reason being is that it holds two PCI slots and can use ECC or non ecc. I plan on using ECC
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Atom/X10/A1SRM-2758F.cfm
Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811108065
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144139
Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167190
Ram
Not sure yet… this board can do ECC or Non-ECC
I would like ECC.Network Card
Not sure yet. I also want a wireless adapter since this board has two pic slots. Any ideas? I would also like an intel board.Looks like my build went from $200-450 now I am just not sure....
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You dont need a network card. It has 4 Ethernet ports on it. Me personally, I would use a router with DHCP turned off as a WAP. Lot better control and feature set. You can also upgrade it at a later date . Use one of the ethernet ports WAN, 1 Lan and 1 connected to the WAP. That leaves one free.
If you wanted to save a little money, you could go with a 2558 board. As a pure pfSense machine, it would probably serve you fine.
http://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-Mini-A1SRI-2558F-O-Motherboard-Combo/dp/B00HS4NLHA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1423115896&sr=8-1&keywords=A1SRi-2558F
While it cost more, the 2758 is a stronger board. If you possibly wanted to run VMs I would go with the 2758.
That the problem with putting one of these together, feature creep and the associated cost.
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Any suggestions on ram?
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"I have decided to go with A1SRM-2758F - the reason being is that it holds two PCI slots and can use ECC or non ecc. I plan on using ECC"
I'd bet the one that only uses ECC is actually going to be better. And since ECC is what you are buying, why bother with non-ecc compatibility?
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I agree, if you are going ECC anyway, go with the MBD-A1SRI-2758F-O.
Get a good mini-itx case.
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One is a mini-itx board and the other is micro atx. The Micro is only stated to use ECC and non ECC. It also has two pci slots.8x & 4X along with 7 USB ports 2.0 only
while the mini-its has usb 3.0 and can only use ECC and has 1 pic slot 8x
Mini-Itx
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Atom/X10/A1SRi-2758F.cfmMicro-Atx
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Atom/X10/A1SRM-2758F.cfmThe A1SRI-2758F is DIFFERENT from the A1SRM-2758F
I just bought this on Amazon "I couldn't found it on Newegg….. Now I just need to find the ram I want along side a good wireless card. Please any suggestions on a card and ram???
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GO9E61K/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 -
I bought this one, which I don't think has been mentioned yet: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Atom/X10/A1SRM-LN7F-2758.cfm
The advantage is 7x Intel nics, 6 of which can be failover pairs.
The disadvantage is a single PCIe v2 4-lane slot.
I chose 16gb ecc registered memory as 2 8gb sticks, so I can upgrade to 16gb. I intend to run pfSense as a VM and use the remaining CPU for other VMs. If there is still available performance and not enough RAM I can double it without wasting money on these sticks. Also according to my manual this board has a minimum configuration of 8gb in 2x 4gb sticks.
I also have an OCZ Vector 150 240gb ssd and a 500gb spinning rust drive.
Gotta say though, I more than doubled your "bigger" budget. Not a lot of peripherals but they pack a punch right to your bank account.
