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      colterlovette
      last edited by

      Yeah, I've read a little on the reverse proxy setup (I'm not a novice but to say I'm beyond, ohhh.. 3rd grade would be a stretch) and it looks daunting.

      What has been working is the dynaddress(WANIP) + :portnumber. Works flawlessly, but when the client is inside the network it obviously breaks as PFS doesn't like the WAN IP request coming from inside the LAN.

      Does anyone have a guide or tutorial that explains reverse proxy in a simple manner. I catch on quickly, its the time I have to spend on this that keeps it from being implemented….

      Thank you for the responses. I really appreciate y'all taking the time to help.

      -Colter

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      • DerelictD
        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
        last edited by

        All you need is host overrides in pfSense pointing the hostnames to the correct INTERNAL IP address.  Then hostname:port will work fine.

        Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
        A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
        DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
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        • johnpozJ
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
          last edited by

          Yeah split dns is how your resolve this problem

          So you have xyz.publicdomainname.tld that resolves to pubicIP on the outside.. You then internally resolve xyz.publiddomainname.tld to your local rfc1918 – problem solved.

          So your client is outside he resolves the public IP and uses his :port, while internally he resolves priviateip and still uses his port.

          edit: What Derelict stated ;)

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            colterlovette
            last edited by

            Ok, so I have done this and it's behaving oddly.

            When I designate a port number:

            home.example.us:xxxx

            I get nothing, just a timeout.

            When I type just the address without the port it brings up the pfsense box login (10.0.1.1). It seems to me that if I just type in the address is should at least point to the host's designated ip (10.0.1.5) and show the NAS box login.

            The host is setup according to the pfesense documentation in the DNS Forwarder.

            This is the issue I was having before.

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            • DerelictD
              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
              last edited by

              Do you have multiple local interfaces and subnets?  You need proper firewall rules if so.

              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
              Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                colterlovette
                last edited by

                It's an APU with a very simple setup:

                1 WAN (re0)
                1 LAN (bridged over re1, re2) with a Ubiquity WAP plugged into re2 and the NAS into re1. The rest of the house is wifi.

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                • DerelictD
                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                  last edited by

                  Well, something is keeping the traffic from getting to the host.  Check your firewall logs.

                  Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                  A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                  DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                  Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                    colterlovette
                    last edited by

                    I have, checked both and nothing looks to be tied to what I'm trying to do. The firewall logs show literally hundreds of the entry shown in the attached screenshot.

                    ![Screen Shot 2015-02-09 at 6.28.43 PM.png](/public/imported_attachments/1/Screen Shot 2015-02-09 at 6.28.43 PM.png)
                    ![Screen Shot 2015-02-09 at 6.28.43 PM.png_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/Screen Shot 2015-02-09 at 6.28.43 PM.png_thumb)

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                    • DerelictD
                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                      last edited by

                      That's DHCP on WAN.  Unfortunate but completely unrelated to your problem.

                      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                        colterlovette
                        last edited by

                        Yeah, figured that out just before I read your comment.

                        So, I have DNS Forwarded on with:

                        "Register DHCP leases in DNS forwarder" Checked
                        "Register DHCP static mappings in DNS forwarder" Checked

                        The host override for the dyn address is configured.

                        DNS in general settings is listed as follows (to be pushed to clients)

                        1. 10.0.1.1
                        2. 8.8.4.4
                        3. 156.154.71.1

                        The macbook is not configured for it's own DNS it's only pulling from pf dhcp (so when you open that settings box DNS reflects the 10.0.1.1).

                        When I type the domain home.example.us into the browser is pulls up the pfsense web GUI (10.0.1.1). To me it should pull up 10.0.1.5 as the forwarder is configured to do so.

                        Ran a traceroute:

                        
                        Traceroute has started…
                        
                        traceroute to home.example.us (184.167.179.204), 64 hops max, 72 byte packets
                         1  host-184-167-179-215.csp-wy.client.bresnan.net (184.167.179.215)  3.954 ms  1.046 ms  1.163 ms
                        
                        

                        So, it would seem that the DNS on PF is not doing it's job as this should come back with the box redirecting this host to a 10.0.1.5. No?

                        Firewall logs are clean and nothing shows the activity. What I think is happening is PF is passing the host along to the DYN service which is then boomeranging the browser back to the WAN IP, hence the PF web GUI when I type it in. PF Doesn't respond to port 80 on the WAN.

                        When I add ports is just hangs as always, but I think it logical to conclude that the PF box is not redirecting the host as it should?

                        -Colter

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                        • johnpozJ
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                          last edited by

                          Redirecting what??  Are you really uisng home.example.com???

                          dude from a cmd line if you ping home.example.com and it doesn't return the private IP you put in the over ride then you did it WRONG!!!

                          This not freaking brain surgery here!!

                          I like to help people but sometimes I just am at complete loss for words how simple this is!!  If its not working - is your client even using pfsense for dns??  Did you put your over ride in the forwarder section and your using the resolver "unbound" ?

                          hostoverride.png
                          hostoverride.png_thumb

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                          • DerelictD
                            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                            last edited by

                            You cannot push DNS servers to clients that will return different answers to the same queries and expect things to work.  You can leave the pfSense DNS servers alone (Though I have no idea why you have 10.0.1.1 listed there.  It should probably be removed.)

                            In your DHCP settings, tell the server to push the IP address of pfSense to your clients - usually the same IP as the default gateway.  Nothing else.  If you want two internal DNS servers, then you have to configure another one that will return the same answers to the same queries.

                            Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                            A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                            DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                            Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                              colterlovette
                              last edited by

                              johnpoz:

                              No, no I am not. I replaced my DYN address with example.us for my own comfort reasons.

                              While I appreciate your input, try not to be rude to me. Humbly, I'm actually a very smart person and it's worth noting that I have felt frustrations with others when I find their problems elementary/minuscule in nature; but try to not degrade people.

                              I understand that there is a problem within the settings. What I can't find is where that error is as even everything you stated I have gone over and have a full understanding of.

                              If you read the last post I wrote you will see that I covered the part about ensuring my client (macbook) is using pfsense as it's primary DNS server, and the forwarder is setup with the host I am attempting to intercept.

                              I would say the only part about what you've stated that I don't connect to is this "unbound" terminology. I haven't seen that referenced in the literature I've read so far.

                              It's easy to be smart, it's harder to be kind. Especially when it's text on a screen with a shade of anonymity.

                              Thank you for your insights, I do appreciate what was constructive. :)

                              Derelict:

                              Thank you. I'll make the edits. I put the 10.0 in the list to just ensure the clients where getting the pfsense box as the first source (another member thought it worth the test). I'll fiddle with DHCP to ensure clients are getting the proper DNS.

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                              • DerelictD
                                Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                last edited by

                                If you read the last post I wrote you will see that I covered the part about ensuring my client (macbook) is using pfsense as it's primary DNS server, and the forwarder is setup with the host I am attempting to intercept.

                                There is no "interception" involved.  When an internal host asks for the IP address of server1.example.com, it should get the internal address in response.

                                When an external host asks the global DNS for the IP address of server1.example.com, it should get the external address.

                                It's really that simple.  Drop-dead easy with host overrides in pfSense's DNS Forwarder or DNS Resolver.

                                Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                  colterlovette
                                  last edited by

                                  Ok, got that, poorly expressed on my part, but I understand that premise.

                                  I did an NS lookup and this is what I get from the mac:

                                  
                                  Samuels-MBP:~ Colter$ nslookup
                                  > home.example.us
                                  Server:		10.0.1.1
                                  Address:	10.0.1.1#53
                                  
                                  Non-authoritative answer:
                                  Name:	home.example.us
                                  Address: 184.167.179.215
                                  
                                  

                                  I checked and double checked that DNS is properly set on the mac to the PFsense box. The forwarder is on and configured to the exact point of the PF documentation with the host and everything as specified.

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                                  • johnpozJ
                                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                    last edited by

                                    "to is this "unbound" terminology. I haven't seen that referenced in the literature I've read so far. "

                                    Really haven't seen this anywhere?  If you do a search on the forums for unbound, there are 13 pages of results..  On the 2.2 new stuff doc

                                    https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/2.2_New_Features_and_Changes

                                    DNS Resolver (unbound) enabled for new installs. #3396
                                    DNS Forwarder (dnsmasq) disabled for new installs. #3396

                                    Dude post up pictures of your over ride!!

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                                    • DerelictD
                                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                      last edited by

                                      What, exactly, is entered in the host override in the forwarder.  In that case you want:

                                      Host: home
                                      Domain: example.us
                                      IP Address: internal_ip_address

                                      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                        colterlovette
                                        last edited by

                                        @johnpoz:

                                        "to is this "unbound" terminology. I haven't seen that referenced in the literature I've read so far. "

                                        Really haven't seen this anywhere?  If you do a search on the forums for unbound, there are 13 pages of results..  On the 2.2 new stuff doc

                                        https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/2.2_New_Features_and_Changes

                                        DNS Resolver (unbound) enabled for new installs. #3396
                                        DNS Forwarder (dnsmasq) disabled for new installs. #3396

                                        Dude post up pictures of your over ride!!

                                        I am reading and following this: https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/Why_can%27t_I_access_forwarded_ports_on_my_WAN_IP_from_my_LAN/OPTx_networks%3F

                                        I wouldn't have searched for "unbound" on the forums as it's term I haven't learned yet..

                                        @Derelict:

                                        What, exactly, is entered in the host override in the forwarder.  In that case you want:

                                        Host: home
                                        Domain: example.us
                                        IP Address: internal_ip_address

                                        Exactly that, to the T.

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                                        • johnpozJ
                                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                          last edited by

                                          "Exactly that, to the T. "

                                          No you don't or it would be working..  You sure you have the forwarder enabled and not the resolver (unbound)..  Lets see your services tab, and your over ride tab.. I showed you mine..

                                          See attached, the difference in the forwarder screen and the resolver screen, notice the forwarder part of the resolver..  If your putting the over rides in the wrong section they they will not work.

                                          services.png
                                          forwarder.png
                                          resolver.png
                                          services.png_thumb
                                          forwarder.png_thumb
                                          resolver.png_thumb

                                          An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
                                          If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
                                          Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
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                                          • DerelictD
                                            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                            last edited by

                                            Sorry.  Always works for me.

                                            If you're using 2.1 do this:

                                            Diagnostics > Command Prompt
                                            Execute Shell Command Command: dig @ip.address.of.forwarder.used.by.hosts.for.dns home.example.us

                                            If you're using 2.2 do this:

                                            Diagnostics > Command Prompt
                                            Execute Shell Command Command: drill @ip.address.of.forwarder.used.by.hosts.for.dns home.example.us

                                            What does it say?

                                            Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                            A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                            DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                            Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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