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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
      last edited by

      You can just rename the interfaces in the webgui.
      You can't use normal FreeBSD conf files in pfSense. All the configuration is stored in a single file, config.xml. At boot scripts use that information to write out the various config files, if you manually modify then they will be overwritten the next make you make a change. You can edit the config.xml file directly to make a series of changes but it's open to errors which could cause you all sorts of problems.  ;)

      The keyboard is an interesting question, I've never tried. You appear to have three keyboards detected on that box. In /dev you have kbd0-2. My boxes here have no keyboards. Do you actually have a real keyboard attached? It appears you can get some info from each using the kbdcontrol command:

      kbdcontrol -i < /dev/kbd1
      

      Some useful tests here: http://people.freebsd.org/~yokota/ukbd-howto.txt

      Steve

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        cii
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        Have just got my hands on a MSA3000 and I'm also interested in getting the LCD/jog wheel running with pfSense.  Sadly my unit arrived without HDD so I don't have a working Windows system to drive the LCD otherwise I could have hooked up a logic analyser to see what messages the driver receives from the PC.

        nanobot do you still have access to the executables and kernel modules?  I wonder if we might be able to decompile the scorpioLCD and led kernel modules and get a bit of information as to how the PC talks to the LCD driver…?

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
          last edited by

          It's very unlikely that the Celestix engineers designed a completely new custom protocol and display for their box. It's probably using common protocols and likely off the shelf components. It may have some custom firmware to drive the control wheel and leds.
          At least some of the hardware appears to be using standard USB-serial converters so the first thing I would try would be to recompile the USB-Serial driver to recognise the USB IDs of the hardware in the box and see if you can talk to it from a terminal or read anything it's sending.

          Steve

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            cii
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            I agree it's probably nothing too complicated or proprietary.  It enumerates as a USB HID device, the jog wheel sends out key codes when it's rotated or clicked - that's the easy bit!  This is what Ubuntu makes of the device:

            
            Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0cb6:0002 Celestix Networks, Pte., Ltd
            Device Descriptor:
              bLength                18
              bDescriptorType         1
              bcdUSB               1.10
              bDeviceClass            0 (Defined at Interface level)
              bDeviceSubClass         0
              bDeviceProtocol         0
              bMaxPacketSize0         8
              idVendor           0x0cb6 Celestix Networks, Pte., Ltd
              idProduct          0x0002
              bcdDevice            1.00
              iManufacturer           1 CELESTIX NETWORKS
              iProduct                2 KEYBOARD + LCD
              iSerial                 0
              bNumConfigurations      1
              Configuration Descriptor:
                bLength                 9
                bDescriptorType         2
                wTotalLength           34
                bNumInterfaces          1
                bConfigurationValue     1
                iConfiguration          0
                bmAttributes         0x80
                  (Bus Powered)
                MaxPower               50mA
                Interface Descriptor:
                  bLength                 9
                  bDescriptorType         4
                  bInterfaceNumber        0
                  bAlternateSetting       0
                  bNumEndpoints           1
                  bInterfaceClass         3 Human Interface Device
                  bInterfaceSubClass      1 Boot Interface Subclass
                  bInterfaceProtocol      1 Keyboard
                  iInterface              0
                    HID Device Descriptor:
                      bLength                 9
                      bDescriptorType        33
                      bcdHID               1.00
                      bCountryCode            0 Not supported
                      bNumDescriptors         1
                      bDescriptorType        34 Report
                      wDescriptorLength      62
                      Report Descriptor: (length is 62)
                        Item(Global): Usage Page, data= [ 0x01 ] 1
                                        Generic Desktop Controls
                        Item(Local ): Usage, data= [ 0x06 ] 6
                                        Keyboard
                        Item(Main  ): Collection, data= [ 0x01 ] 1
                                        Application
                        Item(Global): Report ID, data= [ 0x01 ] 1
                        Item(Global): Usage Page, data= [ 0x07 ] 7
                                        Keyboard
                        Item(Local ): Usage Minimum, data= [ 0xe0 ] 224
                                        Control Left
                        Item(Local ): Usage Maximum, data= [ 0xe7 ] 231
                                        GUI Right
                        Item(Global): Logical Minimum, data= [ 0x00 ] 0
                        Item(Global): Logical Maximum, data= [ 0x01 ] 1
                        Item(Global): Report Size, data= [ 0x01 ] 1
                        Item(Global): Report Count, data= [ 0x08 ] 8
                        Item(Main  ): Input, data= [ 0x02 ] 2
                                        Data Variable Absolute No_Wrap Linear
                                        Preferred_State No_Null_Position Non_Volatile Bitfield
                        Item(Global): Report Size, data= [ 0x08 ] 8
                        Item(Global): Report Count, data= [ 0x01 ] 1
                        Item(Global): Logical Minimum, data= [ 0x00 ] 0
                        Item(Global): Logical Maximum, data= [ 0x68 ] 104
                        Item(Global): Usage Page, data= [ 0x07 ] 7
                                        Keyboard
                        Item(Local ): Usage Minimum, data= [ 0x00 ] 0
                                        No Event
                        Item(Local ): Usage Maximum, data= [ 0x68 ] 104
                                        F13
                        Item(Main  ): Input, data= [ 0x00 ] 0
                                        Data Array Absolute No_Wrap Linear
                                        Preferred_State No_Null_Position Non_Volatile Bitfield
                        Item(Main  ): End Collection, data=none
                        Item(Global): Usage Page, data= [ 0x14 ] 20
                                        Alphanumeric Display
                        Item(Local ): Usage, data= [ 0x01 ] 1
                                        Alphanumeric Display
                        Item(Main  ): Collection, data= [ 0x01 ] 1
                                        Application
                        Item(Global): Report ID, data= [ 0x02 ] 2
                        Item(Local ): Usage, data= [ 0x2c ] 44
                                        Display Data
                        Item(Global): Logical Minimum, data= [ 0x80 ] 128
                        Item(Global): Logical Maximum, data= [ 0x7f ] 127
                        Item(Global): Report Size, data= [ 0x08 ] 8
                        Item(Global): Report Count, data= [ 0x58 ] 88
                        Item(Main  ): Output, data= [ 0x02 ] 2
                                        Data Variable Absolute No_Wrap Linear
                                        Preferred_State No_Null_Position Non_Volatile Bitfield
                        Item(Main  ): End Collection, data=none
                  Endpoint Descriptor:
                    bLength                 7
                    bDescriptorType         5
                    bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
                    bmAttributes            3
                      Transfer Type            Interrupt
                      Synch Type               None
                      Usage Type               Data
                    wMaxPacketSize     0x0008  1x 8 bytes
                    bInterval              10
            Device Status:     0x0000
              (Bus Powered)
            
            

            There seem to be very few LCDs using a Cypress driver, I saw that the IOWarrior did and that's supported within LCDProc, I tried recompiling it to match the USB VID:PID of the Celestix device but it did not work.  I guess that would have been too easy!

            So I'm at a little bit of a loss at the moment, I haven't done any USB driver development before.  I can't imagine the driver is that complex, but at the same time I don't know how to send character / raw data to a USB HID device.  I've started looking at pyusb but it's very low level stuff…

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            • stephenw10S
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
              last edited by

              What I would do I were trying to design this…..
              Use a standard keyboard controller IC for the jog wheel and LEDs (num,caps and scroll lock).
              Use a standard USB-serial converter and connect that to a serial LCD.

              You have two USB devices there yes? One is detected as a keyboard already. There are programs in existence that use keyboard LEDs as indicators, it must be possible to try setting them manually. That should be an easy enough test.
              The other USB device seen as ugen1.2 in the first posts here is probably the serial converter. I would try to recompile the cypress driver to recognise the USB vendor and product IDs used by it. If that works then try various LCDproc settings to talk to the LCD across it.

              Steve

              Edit: I can't find a FreeBSD equivalent but in Ubuntu you can try using the setleds command.

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                cii
                last edited by

                Actually it's just a single USB device (combined keyboard and LCD).  The problem is there doesn't seem to be any standard way to interface with displays over HID, so without a working system to sniff it is next to impossible to reverse engineer the protocol they have used on the cypress microprocessor.

                Probably the easiest solution, certainly time wise, would be to replace the microprocessor with something LCDproc does support, such as an FTDI FT232 chip.  This would probably mean losing the jog wheel, though there should be a pin spare for the activity LED at least…

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                  cii
                  last edited by

                  On another subject I've been tinkering with different CPUs as the P4 3GHz mine came with by standard isn't the most energy efficient chip, and I know that some of the higher spec MSA boxes come with core 2 duo chips (E6420 I believe).  I've tested the following:

                  Core2duo E6420 SLA4T (2.13GHz, 1066 FSB, 4M) - boots but unstable
                  Core2duo E6320 SLA4U (1.86MHz, 1066 FSB, 4M) - boots but unstable
                  Core2duo E4400 SLA98 (2.00GHz, 800 FSB, 2M) - boots, stable, BIOS reports incorrect speed?

                  The E4400 gets reported at the BIOS as 50x10 = 500MHz!  This is also reported in the OS I'm using to test (Ubuntu) but performance suggests it's actually running at the 2GHz.  Doesn't look like it will be possible to run powerd in this sort of state however.  You can set the FSB in the BIOS but this seems to get divided down by 4 for some reason with the E4400.

                  Not quite sure why the E6x20 1066 FSB chips aren't stable.  It does take a lot to make them crash, I've been running memtest, mprime torture tests but the 'stress' command seems to reliably kill them given a few cycles.  When they crash the system just halts, no input or output but the display remains frozen, very odd.  The E4400 has been running with both mprime and the odd stress command for several hours now stable and has topped out at a core temp of 66c.  All were tested with known good 2x 1Gb and 2x512Mb PC5300.

                  The stress command I have been using is

                  stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 128M --timeout 10s
                  

                  All these oddities suggest to me a BIOS issue, though I cannot find an update for it (perhaps unsurprisingly, it being a custom motherboard).  If time permits I may try to extract the existing BIOS and see if there is anything that can be unlocked settings wise.

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                    mppkll
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                    I found the datasheets for the display they indicates that the module is using a "NT3881 or equivalent" display driver chip.  on the LCDproc hardware page it indicates that that controller is compatible and supported under the hd44780.

                    http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Varitronix%20PDFs/MDLS40263-01%20Specification.pdf
                    http://lcdproc.omnipotent.net/hardware.php3
                    http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Varitronix%20PDFs/MDL(S)40263.pdf
                    http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Varitronix%20PDFs/Varitronix%20LCD%20Initialization%20Instructions.pdf

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                      last edited by

                      Controlling the LCD itself is probably not a problem, there are drivers already in LCDproc for various hd44780 modes. The problem is controlling whatever it is connected to. It appears as a single USB device that does the leds and control wheel as well as the LCD.

                      Steve

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                      • _Adrian__
                        _Adrian_
                        last edited by

                        Following…

                        If it ain't broken, fix it till it is :P

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                          pkirkovsky
                          last edited by

                          Here's the pinout of the LCD module:

                          
                          +--------------------+    PIN   FUNCTION                                            
                          | 02  04  06  08  10 |   +---+ +--------+                                           
                          |                    |     01   USB 5v                                              
                          | 01  03  05  07  09 |     02   USB D-                                              
                          +--------|  |--------+     03   USB D+                                              
                                                     04   USB GND                                             
                             Connector on PCB        05   LED Green (Power)                                   
                                                     06   LED Red (Fault)                                     
                                                     07   LED Ambert (Disk)                                   
                                    ++               08   System Power (short to GND to boot machine)         
                          +--------------------+     09   3v                                                  
                          | 01  03  05  07  09 |     10   State detect ("System On" -> "System Ready")        
                          |                    |                                                              
                          | 02  04  06  08  10 |     USB is only enabled when "Ready" state is achieved       
                          +--------------------+     When module is outside of system, short pin 10 to any LED
                                                     to force "Ready" state and USB communication             
                            Connector on cable                                                                
                          
                          
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                          • ?
                            Guest
                            last edited by

                            If you want to replace the Cavium Nitrox miniPCI card you could go by using a
                            Soekris vpn1411 miniPCI card that is supported by pfSense.

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                              pkirkovsky
                              last edited by

                              I have a couple of Celestix boxes with intact stock software. Will be posting USB captures soon, stay tuned…

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                                HammyHavoc
                                last edited by

                                @pkirkovsky:

                                I have a couple of Celestix boxes with intact stock software. Will be posting USB captures soon, stay tuned…

                                How's this going? I received my MSA 4000 today, put pfSense on it, would like to get the front panel running and help where possible. ;- )
                                Also noticed a red LED flashes above the exclamation symbol, does this happen on yours too?

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                                  rudelerius
                                  last edited by

                                  I have one of these boxes as well as 2 x RSA Securid boxes (Celestix Scorpio) with the same LCD/jog wheel combo.  It would be nice to have it all working nicely with lcdproc/pfsense.  Nice work so far.  : )

                                  Following.

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                                    rudelerius
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                                    Of any help: https://www.astaro.org/19475-post1.html ?

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                                    • stephenw10S
                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                      last edited by

                                      Looks like a binary Linux driver they're using. Not much use in pfSense/FreeBSD.

                                      Steve

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                                        rudelerius
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                                        Ok.  I feel like I've seen a (possibly Windows) driver for this before in searching around the web when I first got the box.

                                        I think that I still have an in-tact system drive from the original appliance ,and I was able to find the driver details for the display/wheel in Windows, then research it online to find more information.  I didn't know what to do with it once I found it, so I think I've long since deleted whatever it was I found.  But if I found it once, I might possibly be able to find it again.

                                        I'll have to dig up the drive that has the original Win2K3 install on it and see if I can find the driver info.  If I can find the .inf file would that be of any help?

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                                          rudelerius
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                                          The device is listed in Win2K3 as a Jungo lcd.  The driver is windrvr6.sys.  Googlefu: http://www.jungo.com/st/products/windriver/

                                          Not sure if that helps or not.  Let me know if I can provide anything else.

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                                            rudelerius
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                                            Oops/

                                            Celestix S-X MSA 4000 Windows LCD driver info:


                                            …
                                            Manufacturer: Varitronix
                                            Model: MDLS-40263-LV-B-LED
                                            Product: LCD Character Display Modules
                                            Character Count x Line: 40 x 2

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