Ubiquiti edgerouter lite support?
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Has anyone tried to build their own FreeBSD source using pfSense for the Edgemax using the guide posted here (http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL/#build)?
I have a feeling there will be a lot of bricked routers in the future ;)
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I have a feeling there will be a lot of bricked routers in the future ;)
The nice thing about the ERL, is that the os is stored on a USB drive. The smart thing would be to use a different usb stick if you wanted to play. When your done, pop the original stick in and boot up the OEM software.
From what I have read, the ERL will only process ~300mb/s if you are doing software routing. If you turn on the HW assist, that is where they get the speed. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't see pfSense being able to take advantage of the HW assist without a lot of work. I may be wrong. Without a sponsor, I don't see a bushiness case for supporting this hardware under the Ubiquity label. All a port does is make Ubiquity more money.
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well, i guess the only real use for those ERL routers is if you don't have a gigabit interface for WAN… honestly, i would not use those for a business ... i would just buy an APU or a C2778 or a Lanner.... UNLESS ... you are dealing with one of those customers who says "OMG TOO MUCH MONEY TOO MUCH MONEY ... 500 dolla for 50 port switch ? TOO MUCH MONEY TOO MUCH MONEY, BRING PRICE DOWN BRING PRICE DOWN" and thats when i start installing shit hardware at their business and not give a shit :)
I actually heard a story where this guy who constantly works with cheap ass customers installed 3x 16 port bottom of the barrel switches instead of buying a good cisco SG200 50 port because the customer said cisco small business was too much money lol Those are the guys who drive around in their Mercedes and cheap out hard on IT ,and then their IT breaks down and they blame the IT guys hahahaha
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pfSense on the ERL would be a nice thing, make life easier on someone like me with limited networking skills. I feel like the command line on the ERL is too much like regex, if you don't use it daily and keep good notes it is write-only. The GUI is too limiting but getting better.
I'd love to see a pfSense device similar to the VK-T40E http://store.pfsense.org/VK-T40E/ but closer to the $100-200 price point, much lower performance would be fine.
I just can't justify $450 when a re-purposed old computer and a few bits from the parts bin do the job.
The ERL was bought to see if the size, noise and power savings were worth the missing features and much harder configuration, they weren't. so I'm back on my pfSense HP-7900 and the ERL is going to be set up as a limited capability backup for the pfSense system.
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No i agree the light is a great platform for people who has some light use requirements at home and want to run pfsense at home without spending a ton, its like an upgrade over getting a cheap router and loading DD-WRT on it.
I just recently ordered a Ubiquity 8 port Pro model just so that i can set it up in my lab, and i will likely use it in my lab network that requires 1GBPS routing between VLANS. I just can't justify spending over 1K on a C2778 system with 8 NIC ports for a lab network, but 485$ CAD delivered with taxes i can justify it.
If pfsense support ever comes to the 8 port Ubiquity models, great … I'll upgrade it to pfsense, if not ... not a big deal, for business clients, i will still recommend them the C2778 model from Netgate when possible or the APU model. ( i like C2778 because i can install vmware on it and run pfsense and a domain controller on a remote site in same box ).
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When Bhyve boots windows, you won't need VMware.
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I'm also very interested in getting pfSense running on the ERL. We have an ERL that provides our gateway to our local university. Our school, as well as most of the other schools in Maine, get their Internet access this way through ERLs or their big brother.
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Ill be the next one to ask.
Any news? :D
Thanks!
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pfSense on the ERL would be a nice thing, make life easier on someone like me with limited networking skills.
Cheaper ok, but not easier for you. Easy is to get a device where you will be 100% knowing
that pfSense is compatible and without any fiddling to do for you, am I right with this?I'd love to see a pfSense device similar to the VK-T40E http://store.pfsense.org/VK-T40E/ but closer to the $100-200 price point, much lower performance would be fine.
You can have it as a bundle here in Germany for ~220 € but in the USA, you need
to count on top the following;- tax
- transportation fee
and then I think you will nearly comes to 300 €
so that 150 € now is the difference! - 12 month support (10 € for each month) is cheap in my eyes
- 30 € for a person who is installing and tuning the pfSense system that it is matching the hardware
I just can't justify $450 when a re-purposed old computer and a few bits from the parts bin do the job.
But there you wont to be have the same hassle like it comes by side with a single board computer
installation of the pfSense and tuning on top also comes, like TRIM for a mSATA and so on,….....The pfSense book at Amazon.de would be the cost of ~40 €
Read the book is the cost of time and understand all things then a total another thing
Installing the pfsense then and tune it that it is matching right the hardware will take also time
So as I see it right the $150 more or on top is a good deal for somebody who is not a counting
to the top 1337 pfsense guys.I was taking my ERL light and installs a radius Server on it, for my personal WLAN and I am using
the CP from the pfSense only for the WLAN guests, would this be also a hint for you?
Here is the tutorial -
Frank, Getting something similar to what I get from the edge router in power use and capability is going to cost more than I'm willing to pay. Only the ease of use is lacking and then only if you really need something beyond the basics. They even worked off the bugs that were frustrating me after I posted about them and joined their beta program. Nice folks but their gear is really more suitable for experts that use it daily or for folks with very limited needs beyond the basic point and click options they offer.
I use a refurbished small HP for my pfSense box here and it meets all my needs aside from power use. For the power savings to pay off a $500 plus replacement assumes I'm going to live longer than I expect to and that it would never need replaced because it became obsolete. http://store.pfsense.org/appliances/
On the other hand I got an Edge Router Lite for $99 hoping it would be good enough for a project I was involved in, it wasn't and the project died of lack of interest. I still have it and it is good enough to serve as a backup if my pfSense box dies for some reason or I make a mess of it fooling with things. It is also a lot more flexible and user friendly than the ancient Linksys router that was my previous backup.
Still I think the pfSense folks should look into a low end system that would run pfSense, maybe without all the fancy crypto and such. Just something good enough for a serious home user or small office with limited needs. Hand a consultant a $99 box that just works and he can use to shave $400 off his low-ball bid and you'll get a big grin.
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@stan-qaz
I really know what you mean, but comparing a OpenSource Project to NASDAQ notated company
with an income of $500 million to $1 billion (USD) per year, is not really a fair trail as I see it right!They can promote and substitute devices like they want, but on the other side pfSense is
trying to get some money over the support to keep the project alive or let this project
growing, and this are two fundamental other playgrounds in my eyes.UBNT´s equipment was not supported by MikroTik routers to build a WLAN mesh
network based on the HWMPlus Protocol used by MikroTik, but not compatible to
the ordinary HMW Protocol, so they have had a urgent need to set up something
by their own, routers I mean. And on this way the Edge Router family was born
and placed "cheap" for the UBNT customers followed by network switches from
UBNT too. Once more again there was a urgent need!Again, here in Germany I am able to buy a Bundle of the Alix APU 1d4 for around
220 € with all parts that are needed to build a pfSense based firewall and that is the 4 GB
variant of the Alix APU the 2 GB variant is able to get for nearly something around ~175 €.
Because it is a brand new board or device, later it will to level off at 149 € and this is not far
away from your $99, cheaper I haven´t seen those bundles here! (Board, case, PSU)But install and fine tuning I must do by my self and all the research and fiddling also,
it is not running out of the box without any problems and as you where it bringing to
the exact point, for $99 you got an cheap device and nothing to do with it? Then please
some coin on top and all is running. -
Still I think the pfSense folks should look into a low end system that would run pfSense, maybe without all the fancy crypto and such. Just something good enough for a serious home user or small office with limited needs. Hand a consultant a $99 box that just works and he can use to shave $400 off his low-ball bid and you'll get a big grin.
Just wanted to express my agreement… Think I could place a lot of $99 boxes with the following specs...
1.) Low-end Atom or equivalent CPU
2.) 2GB memory
3.) 16GB drive (either SSD or spinning)
4.) 2 or more ethernet ports
5.) < 20 watts at idleSeems like this aught to be doable (minus the drive - perhaps).
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For the internal drive maybe an option for either a USB stick, CF, SD or a microSD card for an embedded install or an M2 slot drive for a normal install? Put both connectors on the basic hardware to keep inventory down but upsell the M2 version for more so the no-option entry price still looks great. Also offer preloaded cards or M2 drives as an after purchase option for folks that change their minds and possibly make a few more bucks
Three ports would be great, that third port opens up many possibilities. Just two is really limiting unless you have a smart switch and a bit more networking skill. Maybe depending on the Ethernet chip capabilities they could offer a dual port Intel solution or a quad port version, again as an upsell off the base offering. Don't know what would price out better, doing two - two port Intel controller pads and only populating one for a dual port system or having a dual and quad port board with different controllers.
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For the internal drive maybe an option for either a USB stick, CF, SD or a microSD card for an embedded install or an M2 slot drive for a normal install? Put both connectors on the basic hardware
Agree - if it had the connectors and a SATA connector (one would be sufficient) then it would work for those doing a full install.
Three ports would be great, that third port opens up many possibilities. Just two is really limiting unless you have a smart switch and a bit more networking skill. Maybe depending on the Ethernet chip capabilities they could offer a dual port Intel solution or a quad port version, again as an upsell off the base offering.
The option for a 2 port would be nice if it were cheaper… I know multiple ports give more options, but I've built several boxes with multiple ports and never really needed them in the typical home install. I've always just plugged a dumb switch into the LAN port an hung an access point off of it.
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Still I think the pfSense folks should look into a low end system that would run pfSense, maybe without all the fancy crypto and such. Just something good enough for a serious home user or small office with limited needs. Hand a consultant a $99 box that just works and he can use to shave $400 off his low-ball bid and you'll get a big grin.
Just wanted to express my agreement… Think I could place a lot of $99 boxes with the following specs...
1.) Low-end Atom or equivalent CPU
2.) 2GB memory
3.) 16GB drive (either SSD or spinning)
4.) 2 or more ethernet ports
5.) < 20 watts at idleSeems like this aught to be doable (minus the drive - perhaps).
The Netgate 2220 RCC-DFF meets all of your requirements except price, and has a 4GB eMMC on-board (a M.2 socket is available if you need something larger.)
http://store.netgate.com/ADI/RCC-DFF-2220-board.aspx
Way less than 20W at idle, btw.
Supports AES-NI, too.
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@BlueKobold:
@stan-qaz
I really know what you mean, but comparing a OpenSource Project to NASDAQ notated company
with an income of $500 million to $1 billion (USD) per year, is not really a fair trail as I see it right!They can promote and substitute devices like they want, but on the other side pfSense is
trying to get some money over the support to keep the project alive or let this project
growing, and this are two fundamental other playgrounds in my eyes.Yeah, but what you don't know is that Jamie and I nearly bought Ubiquiti back in the day.
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@gonzopancho:
@BlueKobold:
@stan-qaz
I really know what you mean, but comparing a OpenSource Project to NASDAQ notated company
with an income of $500 million to $1 billion (USD) per year, is not really a fair trail as I see it right!They can promote and substitute devices like they want, but on the other side pfSense is
trying to get some money over the support to keep the project alive or let this project
growing, and this are two fundamental other playgrounds in my eyes.Yeah, but what you don't know is that Jamie and I nearly bought Ubiquiti back in the day.
Naaah I don´t believe you on that point, stop kidding please.
And for sure with Intel QuickAssist and AES-NI support came
new things to pfSnese that could be also very interesting,…......but if UBNT at one day perhaps is willing to changes the hardware inside of the
whole EdgeRouter series it could be a good point for you and Netgate to get the
hands on the hardware production of the entire Edge family as they exist now,
ok not really total, but if they don´t need it any more this could be a support
to the OpenSource Project pfSense, is this right? For sure without the UBNT
Logo and the name of the EdgeRouter series and perhaps with $5 for each
sold router to UBNT as something like a license fee or what ever this could
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@gonzopancho:
The Netgate 2220 RCC-DFF meets all of your requirements except price, and has a 4GB eMMC on-board (a M.2 socket is available if you need something larger.)
Ouch!!! big difference in price though… $198 for the bare board and $279 in an enclosure - that's a long way from a $100 all-in-one box! Perhaps what we are seeking just isn't possible at the price point?
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What you're asking for isn't possible. Your price point is far to low to support same.
Look at the Minnowboard Max (http://www.minnowboard.org/meet-minnowboard-max/): 2 core Baytrail Atom @ 1.33GHz, 2 GB RAM, 1 RealTek Ethernet, no storage, no case, no PS:
$145.95: http://www.alliedelec.com/minnowboard-999-0004910/70413112/
$145.95: http://avnetexpress.avnet.com/store/em/EMController/Development-Kits/Circuitco-Electronics-LLC/999-0004910/_/R-5004466352587/A-5004466352587/An-0?action=part&catalogId=500201&langId=-1&storeId=500201&listIndex=-1&page=1&rank=1
$145.95: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/CircuitCo/MINNOWBOARD-MAX-DUAL/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs9lZI8ah3py%2f9KKP2eiFfZsbAbf7dOFFRyaqaqEqmd8g%3d%3d
$145.95: http://store.netgate.com/MinnowBoardMax.aspx
$139.00: http://parts.arrow.com/item/detail/circuitco/minnowboardmax-dual#MJMy
$139.00: http://www.technodisti.com/online-store/boards/minnowboard-max-dual-core-detail.htmlOne of those links should look … very familiar to you.
Now, RCC-DFFv2 is 2 Intel Ethernet, 2 Core C2338 @1.7GHz, 2GB RAM, 4 GB eMMC, 1 x miniPCIe (with miniSIM), 1 x M.2 ('M' keyed):
So for $52 - $59, the adds are: faster CPU, 2 (better) Ethernets, 4GB eMMC, and miniPCIe and M.2.
The $99 ERL is never going to keep-up with it. I'm still committed to producing a experimental version of pfSense for the ERL, but it's that, experimental, and right now it's waiting on a fix to the toolchain.
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@BlueKobold:
@gonzopancho:
@BlueKobold:
@stan-qaz
I really know what you mean, but comparing a OpenSource Project to NASDAQ notated company
with an income of $500 million to $1 billion (USD) per year, is not really a fair trail as I see it right!They can promote and substitute devices like they want, but on the other side pfSense is
trying to get some money over the support to keep the project alive or let this project
growing, and this are two fundamental other playgrounds in my eyes.Yeah, but what you don't know is that Jamie and I nearly bought Ubiquiti back in the day.
Naaah I don´t believe you on that point, stop kidding please.
And for sure with Intel QuickAssist and AES-NI support came
new things to pfSnese that could be also very interesting,…......but if UBNT at one day perhaps is willing to changes the hardware inside of the
whole EdgeRouter series it could be a good point for you and Netgate to get the
hands on the hardware production of the entire Edge family as they exist now,
ok not really total, but if they don´t need it any more this could be a support
to the OpenSource Project pfSense, is this right? For sure without the UBNT
Logo and the name of the EdgeRouter series and perhaps with $5 for each
sold router to UBNT as something like a license fee or what ever this could
be called.It's true. Robert Pera was, at one point, ready to throw in the towel. His business partners had quit to get "real jobs", and he was up to his ass in debt. Jamie and I (as Netgate) were working with him on the AP-1 (http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16837399) which was a total failure. Then Robert moved back in with his mother, focused on the Cardbus cards, saved the company, and now he owns an NBA team.
If I wanted to engineer at MIPS-based 3 Ethernet router, I would. It's not like I don't have any experience with similar: http://archive.linuxgizmos.com/a-sneak-preview-of-musenkis-new-wireless-access-point-a/
It's not interesting right now.
