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      doktornotor Banned
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      What issue? So you have DHCP configured on one subnet and not on the other… so configure it on both and relay the requests to the DHCP server.

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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        you need to put the relay on the interface that is connected to what you want to send to your windows server for dhcp.  Then you create the scope on windows dhcp for the network you want to hand out on that segment yes.

        there is no dhcp server - dhcp RELAY

        So lets call my dmz segment your netb segment, you send this to your windows server IP and you need to create scope there for  your 10.1.2.10-10.1.2.30 if that is the IPs you want to hand out

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          technical ownage
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          Alright, I'll try that tonight. Keep you updated. Thanks in advance!

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            technical ownage
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            Added the scope and configured the relay, seems like the clients on Net B aren't getting any response. Other options that could be interfering?

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              doktornotor Banned
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              You need this allowed in firewall rules.

              https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/4558

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                technical ownage
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                -Sorry, I didn't see any ports listed there. What would these be? I'd assume they'd need to be set for both source and destination?-

                I added UDP ports 67-68 on both interfaces and allowed to all, still not getting any response from the DHCP server.

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                  technical ownage
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                  Ah, please help.. There's no reason for this not to be working. The client sends out an IP request, the firewall (with ports open) relays the request to the server, matches the proper scope, and replies with an offer. All devices between these devices are unmanaged switches.  :'(

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                    doktornotor Banned
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                    My crystal ball is in repair shop. Read the firewall logs? Post the screenshot of the rules you added?

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                      technical ownage
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                      Here's literally everything:

                      There is only one client on Net B, I have isolated it for testing purposes. It is connected directly to the Net B interface and has DHCP on. It is running Windows 7.

                      The firewall. Three interfaces, net A and net B, and then WAN. DHCP relay is pushing from net B to 10.1.1.100. Firewall rule added to both net A and B is attached as a .png. The rule has been moved to the top of all rules and is right below block bogon networks.

                      The net A interface is connected to an unmanaged switch, one port on which goes to the DHCP windows server (Also running AD DS and DNS). It has a static IP. It has a proper scope (10.1.2.10-10.1.2.30).

                      I can't think of anything else that could be interfering.

                      ![firewall scrsht.png](/public/imported_attachments/1/firewall scrsht.png)
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                        doktornotor Banned
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                        Which interface is this rule on? Also, you completely missed the part about firewall logs.

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                        • johnpozJ
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                          Where are you putting the rules – this took all of 2 seconds to setup.

                          You really shouldn't need any rules.. Pfsense will forward the traffic to your dhcp server, then it will send that back to the requesting client

                          Here is sniff on the server side, my dhcp server is 192.168.1.8, fired up a 2k12r2 vm and installed the dhcp role.  Client is on my dmz segment of 192.168.3.0

                          Notice on the server side all traffic is from pfsense IP 192.168.1.253 and to the client side its all from pfsense IP address in that segment

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                            technical ownage
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                            I understand how simple this is, which is why I'm so confuzzled. Where are you seeing those logs?

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                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                              those are not logs those are sniffs I did on pfsense..  Diag, package capture - then open them up in wireshark.

                              Think of the relay as man in the middle or proxy..

                              So you client sends out broadcast (discover) hey any dhcp servers out there I would like a lease.  All the dchp servers that hear they say yes I have a lease would you like it (offer).. Client says yeah or nay - if yeah it sends a request.  Server then says sure here you go ack.

                              With a relay, pfsense sees the discover and sends it on to the dhcp server it listed in the relay.  Having the client info in the discover - see attached.

                              All traffic is to or from the pfsense interfaces themselves - you really should not have to worry about any rules since pfsense can talk to anything on its segments and dhcp should be allowed by default when you enable relay on that interface, etc..

                              Why don't you sniff and see where your problem is.. Does pfsense see the discover and send it on?  The dhcp server answer the discover with offer?  And then pfsense sends this on to the client?

                              Are you seeing blocks in you pfsense fiewall logs?  If so post those - this really is simple stuff..  And should be click click..

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                                technical ownage
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                                @johnpoz I looked at my firewall logs and it does appear the ports are being blocked. I can't screenshot right now, but it's: If Net B-Source 0.0.0.0:68-Dest. 255.255.255.255:67-Proto UDP
                                Act is block.

                                Relay is activated and configured properly.

                                Also, I did a sniff on net B and it is taking 0.0.0.0:68 and pushing to 255.255.255.255:67

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                                  doktornotor Banned
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                                  Yes… So, let me ask again:

                                  @doktornotor:

                                  Which interface is this rule on?

                                  This needs to be on the interface that shows your blocked DHCP requests.

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                                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                    Also, I did a sniff on net B and it is taking 0.0.0.0:68 and pushing to 255.255.255.255:67

                                    That would be the discover from the client.. you mean you see a packet from that source to that dest, yes that is a discover packet.  You should then see that discover being directly sent to your dhcp server.  Where are you seeing blocks?  And why is it you could not take a screenshot?  You can take screen shots from your phone - so I find it hard to image what your viewing it with that you could not take a screenshot.  Shoot your phone has a camera right? ;)

                                    There is hidden rule that allows dhcp traffic to pfsense..

                                    Look in your /temp/rules.debug

                                    allow access to DHCP server on LAN

                                    pass in  quick on $LAN proto udp from any port = 68 to 255.255.255.255 port = 67 tracker 1000002641 label "allow access to DHCP server"
                                    pass in  quick on $LAN proto udp from any port = 68 to 192.168.1.253 port = 67 tracker 1000002642 label "allow access to DHCP server"
                                    pass out  quick on $LAN proto udp from 192.168.1.253 port = 67 to any port = 68 tracker 1000002643 label "allow access to DHCP server"
                                    antispoof log for $WLAN tracker 1000003670

                                    allow access to DHCP server on WLAN

                                    pass in  quick on $WLAN proto udp from any port = 68 to 255.255.255.255 port = 67 tracker 1000003691 label "allow access to DHCP server"
                                    pass in  quick on $WLAN proto udp from any port = 68 to 192.168.2.253 port = 67 tracker 1000003692 label "allow access to DHCP server"
                                    pass out  quick on $WLAN proto udp from 192.168.2.253 port = 67 to any port = 68 tracker 1000003693 label "allow access to DHCP server"
                                    antispoof log for $DMZ tracker 1000004720

                                    allow access to DHCP server on DMZ

                                    pass in  quick on $DMZ proto udp from any port = 68 to 255.255.255.255 port = 67 tracker 1000004741 label "allow access to DHCP server"
                                    pass in  quick on $DMZ proto udp from any port = 68 to 192.168.3.253 port = 67 tracker 1000004742 label "allow access to DHCP server"
                                    pass out  quick on $DMZ proto udp from 192.168.3.253 port = 67 to any port = 68 tracker 1000004743 label "allow access to DHCP server"
                                    antispoof log for $WLANGUEST tracker 1000006820

                                    allow access to DHCP server on WLANGUEST

                                    pass in  quick on $WLANGUEST proto udp from any port = 68 to 255.255.255.255 port = 67 tracker 1000006841 label "allow access to DHCP server"
                                    pass in  quick on $WLANGUEST proto udp from any port = 68 to 192.168.4.253 port = 67 tracker 1000006842 label "allow access to DHCP server"
                                    pass out  quick on $WLANGUEST proto udp from 192.168.4.253 port = 67 to any port = 68 tracker 1000006843 label "allow access to DHCP server"

                                    If I turn them all off and just have relay on there is no rules that allow.. So yeah that could be your issue.  So lets see your rules on netb.  You would need a rule that allows the broadcast to 67 which is the discover

                                    So not sure the lack of the hidden rules gotten over looked since they put them in when you enable dhcp or a feature ;)  I would think if you enable that on interface X then they should put in the hidden rules to allow for it since they do that when you enable dhcp server.

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                                      doktornotor Banned
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                                      @johnpoz:

                                      So not sure the lack of the hidden rules gotten over looked since they put them in when you enable dhcp or a feature ;)

                                      This was the same story with DHCPv6 relay… Stuff that's not so often used gets overlooked.

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                                        technical ownage
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                                        @technical:

                                        Firewall rule added to both net A and B is attached as a .png. The rule has been moved to the top of all rules and is right below block bogon networks.

                                        Also, I had DHCP running on the interface in question, but then I change it's IP before activating the relay. Would that be the problem? Would I need to activate DHCP with the new IP?

                                        ![firewall scrsht.png](/public/imported_attachments/1/firewall scrsht.png)
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                                          doktornotor Banned
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                                          Awesome screenshot. We STILL do NOT know WHICH interface you did put that on. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Enough time wasted here. Good luck.  >:( >:( >:(

                                          @technical:

                                          Would I need to activate DHCP with the new IP?

                                          What? Not really sure what you mean by "activate"?

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                                            technical ownage
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                                            I think I've said which interfaces I put that rule on three times. If you look at the quote and the previous commments, Net A and B.

                                            I don't think I'd be putting it on WAN. Since WAN has nothing to do with this.

                                            Sorry, I mean turn on pfSense's DHCP server to get the rules readded with the new IP.

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