Performance with- and without pfsense
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After reading this https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=96795.msg540158#msg540158 I think there's something fundamentally wrong with your pfSense install. Do a clean install without any config, preferably on a different machine and to test speeds.
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Have you tried on a sane box without any packages?
No, I don't have a sane box: only pfsense ( ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ).
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@Mr.:
1. Via pfsense, to speedtest.telenet.be: 140 down.
2. PC directly plugged into modem: 199 down (30 secs later from 1).Your comparing apples and oranges.
Pfsense manages the states, your modem is essentially stateless and thus no processing or other required overhead to ensure people dont backbone into your system is taking place.
Try another stateful fw and see how it compares to pfsense, or give pfsense some faster processing capabilities and see how it compares.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateful_firewall
Also try a basic setup as Dok suggested as well in case you may have misconfigured anything.
In pfsense, do backups of the config changes, theres also a facility which maintains the last 10 changes so you can download it as an XML file and compare in a XML editor if thats a way of working you prefer when comparing changes quickly and easily.
fwiw.
Edit. Its also worth pointing out, hard disks are the slowest part of the system so any top end Intel Xeon can be made to drag its arse so to speak with a super slow spin disk like a laptop spin disk, likewise a simple celeron with a SSD HD can match the mighty Xeon in some performance tests, as it depends on what instructions are used in the chip amongst other things. The instructions not in a chip have to be emulated in the OS hence a performance hit, so identify the right HW is also useful if thinking about getting some other equipment involved.
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After reading this https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=96795.msg540158#msg540158 I think there's something fundamentally wrong with your pfSense install. Do a clean install without any config, preferably on a different machine and to test speeds.
Thanks, Igor ;D
I will not do that. Because: ever since 2.0 none of the upgrades worked. As such, every upgrade required me to do a fresh install and customize all my packages, and my firewall rules, and aliases, by hand. That takes you 2 days. Admins replied in the past "config restore works, must be something on your side". May be what it is, but I've wasted far too much time on the 'set it and forget it' firewall.
My Zyxel bloatware didn't have all the features pfsense seems to have, but then again, it also didn't suck so much time (our most precious asset in life, together with health, says dr. economics…) out of me.
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Well… afraid changing HW will not help if it ends up again like this:
:o :o :o
That goes without saying : ) In the other hand, I've seen some pretty "heavy" pfSense configs, and as long as everything was configured correctly… it worked without issues.
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@Mr.:
After reading this https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=96795.msg540158#msg540158 I think there's something fundamentally wrong with your pfSense install. Do a clean install without any config, preferably on a different machine and to test speeds.
Thanks, Igor ;D
I will not do that. Because: ever since 2.0 none of the upgrades worked. As such, every upgrade required me to do a fresh install and customize all my packages, and my firewall rules, and aliases, by hand. That takes you 2 days. Admins replied in the past "config restore works, must be something on your side". May be what it is, but I've wasted far too much time on the 'set it and forget it' firewall.
My Zyxel bloatware didn't have all the features pfsense seems to have, but then again, it also didn't suck so much time (our most precious asset in life, together with health, says dr. economics…) out of me.
Then I will just link my reply to you from here https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=96795.msg540411#msg540411
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After reading this https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=96795.msg540158#msg540158 I think there's something fundamentally wrong with your pfSense install.
Well… afraid changing HW will not help if it ends up again like this:
:o :o :o
You're trolling me, Dok (you may do so by now, as I've discovered you're not the bad wulf ;D ). That pic is old: squid and squidguard are gone.
I previously also posted top, but will do it again:
last pid: 76817; load averages: 0.15, 0.20, 0.21 up 0+04:35:42 19:13:08 63 processes: 1 running, 58 sleeping, 4 zombie CPU: 0.6% user, 0.0% nice, 0.6% system, 0.8% interrupt, 98.0% idle Mem: 360M Active, 2175M Inact, 1205M Wired, 528K Cache, 2009M Buf, 12G Free Swap: 32G Total, 32G Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 14853 root 8 20 0 1984M 1881M uwait 1 6:11 0.88% suricata 22287 root 15 20 0 219M 92964K nanslp 0 1:22 0.68% ntopng 14138 root 150 20 0 193M 21948K uwait 0 0:25 0.00% filterdns 23911 root 1 20 0 14656K 2436K select 1 0:20 0.00% syslogd 96188 nobody 1 20 0 19060K 3516K select 0 0:11 0.00% darkstat 63665 root 1 20 0 21720K 5852K select 1 0:07 0.00% openvpn 30669 root 1 20 0 12456K 2180K select 0 0:06 0.00% apinger 71884 unbound 2 20 0 88488K 32700K kqread 0 0:05 0.00% unbound 17917 root 3 52 0 24572K 4716K uwait 0 0:03 0.00% redis-server 49979 dhcpd 1 20 0 24812K 13732K select 1 0:02 0.00% dhcpd 39033 root 1 20 0 50788K 10960K kqread 0 0:02 0.00% lighttpd 66015 root 1 20 0 21720K 5832K select 0 0:02 0.00% openvpn 65501 root 2 20 0 783M 386M nanslp 0 0:01 0.00% snort 99052 root 1 20 0 14540K 2080K select 0 0:01 0.00% powerd 79354 root 1 52 20 17136K 2708K wait 0 0:01 0.00% sh 249 root 1 20 0 224M 23864K kqread 1 0:01 0.00% php-fpm 27472 root 1 20 0 16804K 2340K bpf 1 0:01 0.00% filterlog 89390 root 1 20 0 55720K 7336K bpf 0 0:00 0.00% bandwidthd 91338 root 1 20 0 55720K 7252K bpf 0 0:00 0.00% bandwidthd 90609 root 1 20 0 55720K 7236K bpf 0 0:00 0.00% bandwidthd 89470 root 1 20 0 55720K 7312K bpf 0 0:00 0.00% bandwidthd 90317 root 1 20 0 55720K 7276K bpf 0 0:00 0.00% bandwidthd 91063 root 1 20 0 55720K 7248K bpf 0 0:00 0.00% bandwidthd 90849 root 1 20 0 55720K 7292K bpf 0 0:00 0.00% bandwidthd 89712 root 1 20 0 55720K 7288K bpf 0 0:00 0.00% bandwidthd 26816 root 1 20 0 28164K 18052K select 1 0:00 0.00% ntpd 14226 root 1 52 0 16664K 2524K nanslp 1 0:00 0.00% cron 6133 root 1 20 0 43604K 6296K select 0 0:00 0.00% mpd5 30999 root 1 20 0 28344K 3004K piperd 1 0:00 0.00% rrdtool 99043 uucp 1 20 0 18832K 2580K nanslp 1 0:00 0.00% upsmon 40664 root 1 20 0 55624K 6216K select 1 0:00 0.00% sshd 40320 root 6 20 0 737M 16308K usem 0 0:00 0.00% radiusd 264 root 1 40 20 19024K 2580K kqread 1 0:00 0.00% check_reload_status 24280 root 1 20 0 224M 37024K accept 0 0:00 0.00% php-fpm 28002 root 1 20 0 18780K 2344K select 0 0:00 0.00% inetd 277 root 1 20 0 13164K 4464K select 1 0:00 0.00% devd 41275 root 1 24 0 17136K 2756K wait 0 0:00 0.00% sh 40969 root 2 20 0 14748K 2312K nanslp 1 0:00 0.00% sshlockout_pf 54468 root 1 40 0 12404K 2008K nanslp 1 0:00 0.00% minicron 43186 root 1 35 0 17476K 3856K pause 1 0:00 0.00% tcsh 41378 root 1 52 0 17136K 2664K wait 1 0:00 0.00% sh 76817 root 1 20 0 21988K 3152K CPU0 0 0:00 0.00% top 7016 root 1 20 0 32420K 5228K select 0 0:00 0.00% sshd 72822 root 1 20 0 12408K 2224K kqread 0 0:00 0.00% dhcpleases 42562 root 1 20 0 43568K 2800K wait 0 0:00 0.00% login 58733 root 2 20 0 14748K 2312K nanslp 0 0:00 0.00% sshlockout_pf 7202 root 2 20 0 14748K 2220K nanslp 0 0:00 0.00% sshlockout_pf 42883 root 1 21 0 17136K 2776K wait 1 0:00 0.00% sh 42916 root 1 52 0 17136K 2660K ttyin 0 0:00 0.00% sh 18833 nagios 1 52 0 23180K 4956K select 1 0:00 0.00% nrpe2 98998 root 1 52 0 18832K 2552K piperd 0 0:00 0.00% upsmon 54781 root 1 20 0 12404K 2008K nanslp 0 0:00 0.00% minicron 96433 nobody 1 52 0 19060K 2396K sbwait 0 0:00 0.00% darkstat 71115 root 1 52 20 8304K 1952K nanslp 1 0:00 0.00% sleep 54289 root 1 20 0 12404K 1996K wait 1 0:00 0.00% minicron 54475 root 1 21 0 12404K 1996K wait 1 0:00 0.00% minicron 55145 root 1 21 0 12404K 1996K wait 1 0:00 0.00% minicron 266 root 1 52 20 19024K 2404K kqread 1 0:00 0.00% check_reload_status 55546 root 1 20 0 12404K 2008K nanslp 1 0:00 0.00% minicronI'm not saying my hardware could not be the cause, but from looking into these numbers I don't get that impression.
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@Mr.:
After reading this https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=96795.msg540158#msg540158 I think there's something fundamentally wrong with your pfSense install. Do a clean install without any config, preferably on a different machine and to test speeds.
Thanks, Igor ;D
I will not do that. Because: ever since 2.0 none of the upgrades worked.
Just the other day I installed a 2.2.2 backup onto 2.2.0 and got the warning message on the console pointing out some things may not work as the backup is from a later version of pfsense. It still worked complete with rules & snort no problem, and the Firmware upgrade to bring it up to 2.2.2 worked fine.
As such, every upgrade required me to do a fresh install and customize all my packages, and my firewall rules, and aliases, by hand. That takes you 2 days.
10 mins max in my experience and thats even when reediting the XML backups to change IP addresses and names.
Admins replied in the past "config restore works, must be something on your side". May be what it is, but I've wasted far too much time on the 'set it and forget it' firewall.
Check out the backup and restore, others have and will draw their own conclusions about whether it works or not.
For me it works even when using a backup from a later version of pfsense in an earlier installation of pfsense as mentioned above. Not many other systems have that backward compatibility even with mainstream server backup facilities.
My Zyxel bloatware didn't have all the features pfsense seems to have, but then again, it also didn't suck so much time (our most precious asset in life, together with health, says dr. economics…) out of me.
In a true DMZ using 2 firewalls, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMZ_%28computing%29#Dual_firewall
Keep your Zyxel doing what you are happy with it doing and make the pfsense fill the gaps. How about that for a solution?
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Well seriously, if you want to test performance/throughput… You realize, that each packet on that box is copied at least 5 times? (snort, suricata, ntopng, bandwidthd, darkstat...)
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Well seriously, if you want to test performance/throughput… You realize, that each packet on that box is copied at least 5 times? (snort, suricata, ntopng, bandwidthd, darkstat...)
Look at the size of config backup. https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=96795.msg540460#msg540460 I think maybe he should send it to us (pfSense support) for dissection.
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Keep your Zyxel doing what you are happy with it doing and make the pfsense fill the gaps. How about that for a solution?
Thank you for your reply, kind problem solving suggestion ;D
The problem is: I got so fed up with the Zyxel crap I threw it away and thought pfsense was my new great love (after WIFE and my Rottweilers, my dearest loves of all).
The 'funny' thing is: I'm only a stupid economist, so you all guys can shoot me when it comes to IT knowledge. As a side effect, I work for one of the biggest Fortune-500 companies in the world, as a country CFO. As such country IT is on my desk too. My IT admins (they're not noobs, PhD's from serious tech universities) also tell me they have problems with pfsense in their test environments. That only helps me think maybe I'm not always the stupid noob :-[
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@Mr.:
The 'funny' thing is: I'm only a stupid economist, so you all guys can shoot me when it comes to IT knowledge. As a side effect, I work for one of the biggest Fortune-500 companies in the world, as a country CFO. As such country IT is on my desk too. My IT admins (they're not noobs, PhD's from serious tech universities) also tell me they have problems with pfsense in their test environments. That only helps me think maybe I'm not always the stupid noob :-[
[/quote]Working for Fortune-500 company doesn't make you somehow universally knowledgeable. Same goes for PhD's.
pfSense isn't zyxel for a reason, it takes time and knowledge to configure pfSense correctly. That being said, I'm surprised you didn't reach out to pfSense support or got official pfSense appliance since you do work for Fortune-500 company.
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pfSense isn't zyxel for a reason, it takes time and knowledge to configure pfSense correctly
And less bugs, and better documentation. Which is not pointing at this thread, but at other topics.
Working for Fortune-500 company doesn't make you somehow universally knowledgeable.
There is a reason why I am the self proclaimed eternal noob on this forum. I never said I am 'universally knowledgeable'. If I were I wouldn't be asking here for help.
Same goes for PhD's.
I have two of these titles. We like to think we know more about our fields than the one zillion 'For dummies' people who google their way to the next point-and-click. My field is economics, theirs is designing IT-infrastructures in the broadest sense. I seem to be an expert in economics yet a noob in networking (still no good book to be found, out of the gazillion books written), my admins are experts in their field yet noobs in economics. Life.
That being said, I'm surprised you didn't reach out to pfSense support or got official pfSense appliance since you do work for Fortune-500 company.
You may be surprised all you want, I will enlighten you: this is my home setup. pfsense support and pfsense appliances are too expensive for home users. And pfsense is not ready for a Fortune-500 company, so my admins only play with pfsense as they play with around 100000 projects. I even have budget for them to play with.
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That is simply not true. pfSense is being used in almost every possible industry available… I don't want to start a argument, but what you're saying is wrong and you've pointed out multiple times that you're not exactly the most knowledgeable person regarding pfSense or IT. That's just a bad corporate-drone philosophy, which is completely false.
Not to mention that you compared pfSense with SAP in a different thread, which is literally the most hated product by any knowledgeable admin of Fortune-500 companies.
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Not to mention that you compared pfSense with SAP in a different thread, which is literally the most hated product by any knowledgeable admin of Fortune-500 companies.
I will leave it at this, Igor.
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@Mr.:
I will leave it at this, Igor.
It's Ivor actually. I'd suggest you have a really honest conversation with admins in your company regarding SAP.
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@Mr.:
I will leave it at this, Igor.
It's Ivor actually. I'd suggest you have a really honest conversation with admins in your company regarding SAP.
I'll not leave it at this, Igor, I'll respond to this since you're seriously pissing me off. Yes, seriously.
and you've pointed out multiple times that you're not exactly the most knowledgeable person regarding pfSense or IT
I am the eternal noob on pfsense. But I also have two PhD's in economics from universities most people only dream of. Meaning: 'tmight be that the problem with pfsense is that it isn't perfect (if you catch my drift), nor is the documentation.
You comfortably moved in 'or IT', by means of a fallacy. You should make that less obvious.
You should not bully me about SAP, and me 'having to talk to my admins about SAP'. It so happens I have that very special badge SAP issues to very few people, very-few-people, they even have an official word for that badge.
I was doing SAP in 1992, for Walldorf. And ever since. You are probably referencing a friend of yours who didn't pass the exams, and found SAP way too difficult. Which might very well be true: it is about 140 zillion times more complex than pfsense.
You've managed to piss me off more than any other person on this forum in my years here, Igor, with your insults.
Bless you.
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@Mr.:
@Mr.:
I will leave it at this, Igor.
It's Ivor actually. I'd suggest you have a really honest conversation with admins in your company regarding SAP.
I'll not leave it at this, Igor, I'll respond to this since you're seriously pissing me off. Yes, seriously.
and you've pointed out multiple times that you're not exactly the most knowledgeable person regarding pfSense or IT
I am the eternal noob on pfsense. But I also have two PhD's in economics from universities most people only dream of. Meaning: 'tmight be that the problem with pfsense is that it isn't perfect (if you catch my drift), nor is the documentation.
You comfortably moved in 'or IT', by means of a fallacy. You should make that less obvious.
You should not bully me about SAP, and me 'having to talk to my admins about SAP'. It so happens I have that very special badge SAP issues to very few people, very-few-people, they even have an official word for that badge.
I was doing SAP in 1992, for Walldorf. And ever since. You are probably referencing a friend of yours who didn't pass the exams, and found SAP way too difficult. Which might very well be true: it is about 140 zillion times more complex than pfsense.
You've managed to piss me off more than any other person on this forum in my years here, Igor, with your insults.
Bless you.
What you do and for how long is really not my concern. However, how people behave on forum is something that concerns me. So please, change your attitude and behave politely. I too found your multiple threads annoying and full of false accusations yet I was nice and polite in attempt to reason with you.
That being said, since you're obviously not paying attention, my name is Ivor, not Igor. Perhaps you should pay more attention with your pfSense config as well.
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