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    • N Offline
      NOYB
      last edited by

      @jahonix:

      @firewalluser:

      …when Bing started probing one of my webservers trying to access a URL ...

      No it's not Bing. It's an NSA proxy.
      German magazine Heise had a lengthy article about it.

      Aren't they all, Facebook, Twitter, Google, Yahoo, Bing, Windows, Skype, routers, disk drives, "smart" phones, etc, 3 letter agency proxies.  Get people to freely hand over personal information and there is then no need for a search warrant.  And even worse, no oversight.

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        NOYB
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        @johnpoz:

        Well if you can not tell anything from the sniff of what it is.. Then look on the machine for what application/service/dll is generating the traffic.  Those are clearly not standard ports for services.

        Simple netstat -anb should help you find the PID of the program trying to make the TCP connection.  The udp might be harder to catch.

        I'll give that a try.

        So far it seems to have a timing correlation with Skype activity.  Just sent a Skype to a friend and poof there it was again after nothing since last night.

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        • DerelictD Offline
          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
          last edited by

          Packet capture on the inbound/LAN interface should yield a MAC address.

          Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
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          DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
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            NOYB
            last edited by

            @Derelict:

            Packet capture on the inbound/LAN interface should yield a MAC address.

            Already know the local machines that are involved.  Have a LAN firewall log and pass rule for private networks that are not LAN network.  Then the float WAN out rule blocks.

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              firewalluser
              last edited by

              UEFI bios? Bios virus have been around for a long time before UEFI and considering things like this, maybe flashing your bios on the machines in question might stop the behaviour?
              http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mysterious-mac-and-pc-malware-that-jumps-airgaps/

              I'm assuming you've ruled out dos root kits loading before windows?

              An interesting read which your economic well being amongst other things could depend on, if you want an idea of how innovative some of the thought processes can be. I'm sure some will see the links as nice propagation.
              NSA Journal of Information Warfare 2015
              https://cryptome.org/2015/08/nsa-jiw-2015.pdf
              NSA Journal of Information Warfare 2014
              https://cryptome.org/2015/08/nsa-jiw-2014.pdf

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                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                seems odd that skype would send to those IPs..  Is that something that is resolving to those IPs.. I would flush the local cache on the machine, then doing a sniff on your pfsense with no limit on the packets (defaults to 100) and fire up your skype if you think that is what is kicking off the traffic - does it query for any names that resolve to those IPs for some strange reason?

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                  NOYB
                  last edited by

                  Just did some more Skype with friend.  And bang.  There it is.

                  Did the net stat and Skype is using that port 38808 but to my friends WAN address.
                  TCP    192.168.2.21:52077    50.43.x.x:38808    ESTABLISHED
                  [Skype.exe]

                  However there is a machine on my friends LAN with 192.168.1.8.

                  Hmmm.  What is Skype trying to accomplish?

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                  • F Offline
                    firewalluser
                    last edited by

                    Hook this into skype http://www.rohitab.com/apimonitor and see what api's it's using.

                    I wonder if advapi.dll is used or something else buried deep in the bowels of the OS which could suggest a new method of hiding functionality.

                    Of course it could just be a bug which might turn out to be exploitable. Have you tried sending a simple text file between each other? I wonder if your machine HD FAT gets lifted as its quick and easy to lift that as its not particular big in relation to bigger files, omitting standard file locations of course from the FAT to further reduce what gets lifted.

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                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                      is the machine your friend on 192.168.1.8 or .6 for its private IP?  Or you saying its some other machine on his network and his machine is say 192.168.1.14

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                        NOYB
                        last edited by

                        Yes friend could be using either of those.  The connection attempt seems to correspond to when I send a message rather than when receiving.

                        Firewall log timestamps correspond with Skype timestamps of my sent messages.

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                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                          seems like a bug in skype that it would try sending to a rfc1918 address when its connected to other end via a public IP..  Be it you block it or not - it sure is not going to work ;)

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                            firewalluser
                            last edited by

                            @NOYB:

                            Yes friend could be using either of those.  The connection attempt seems to correspond to when I send a message rather than when receiving.

                            Firewall log timestamps correspond with Skype timestamps of my sent messages.

                            What happens when your friend changes their ip address, do you see a change in the ip address at your end?

                            And did you say it occurred after the skype call as well, or just during a skype call/chat?

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                              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                              last edited by

                              This sounds to me like Skype might be checking to see if the private addresses can communicate locally.

                              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
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                                NOYB
                                last edited by

                                What is being seen currently is during a Skype session; when sending a message.

                                I with Derelict though.  Although that could potentially break if there was a local Skype client that happened to be listening on that same IP and port combination.  Very unlikely.  But still, seems to be of poor design.  Not good form in my opinion to do stuff like that and go around what the users have established.

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                                • DerelictD Offline
                                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                  last edited by

                                  I would think there is some crypto involved using keys that have been agreed upon over the Skype channels first, but with the Skype "malware" who knows.

                                  Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                  A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                  DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                  Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                    firewalluser
                                    last edited by

                                    @Derelict:

                                    This sounds to me like Skype might be checking to see if the private addresses can communicate locally.

                                    Only one way to find out and thats to test the scenario, maybe even testing on different subnets behind the same gateway might be interesting.

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