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      sideout
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      The system file is not needed if you have PFSense built to your liking.  I just included it in case people wanted restore over a clean system.

      qACK is only used for TCP streams.  If you choose UDP for the protocol then use qGames.  Some games use strictly UDP  , some games use TCP and UDP.

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        Nullity
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        @albert001

        QoS/traffic-shaping only makes a difference when a connection is over ~80% utilized. Below ~80%, the bufferbloat/queueing delay is negligible. (Edit: spelling)

        Unless you are saturating your 300Mbit download or 65Mbit upload, QoS/traffic-shaping/traffic-policing will make little/no difference.

        Are you saturating your connection? From what I read, you should be far from saturating your connection.

        Please correct any obvious misinformation in my posts.
        -Not a professional; an arrogant ignoramous.

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          albert001
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          @sideout:

          The system file is not needed if you have PFSense built to your liking.  I just included it in case people wanted restore over a clean system.

          qACK is only used for TCP streams.  If you choose UDP for the protocol then use qGames.  Some games use strictly UDP  , some games use TCP and UDP.

          Problem with the qACK…..i dont understand what its purpose. Why are some firewall rules qACK/qGames and why are some just qGames or just qAck? How does that part work. Thats the only part that I missing on understanding this traffic shaping

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            albert001
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            @albert001:

            @sideout:

            The system file is not needed if you have PFSense built to your liking.  I just included it in case people wanted restore over a clean system.

            qACK is only used for TCP streams.  If you choose UDP for the protocol then use qGames.  Some games use strictly UDP  , some games use TCP and UDP.

            Problem with the qACK…..i dont understand what its purpose. Why are some firewall rules qACK/qGames and why are some just qGames or just qAck? How does that part work. Thats the only part that I missing on understanding this traffic shaping

            With my clientele that insist on streaming HD movies. Either by netflix or youtube. To the others that want to download brand new games. And to those customers who want to do both at the same time. Now multiply that by 68….heck even half would congest my 300 connection easy. Its just the nature of the business. So thats why traffic shaping is so crucial. But I am happy to say customers are very happy with Sideouts config! 60ms home 65 world. Considering we came from 2000ms on just Battle.net games. Huge improvement.

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              albert001
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              @sideout:

              The system file is not needed if you have PFSense built to your liking.  I just included it in case people wanted restore over a clean system.

              qACK is only used for TCP streams.  If you choose UDP for the protocol then use qGames.  Some games use strictly UDP  , some games use TCP and UDP.

              Oh and last question. Why did you block Steam P2P voice. I would think it would take minimal bandwidth.

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                sideout
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                I am running at LAN parties where we have @160 people and using 2 or 3 modem's  for access.  Given that you cannot "bond" these modems together and we have to use the round robin load balancing , and that a P2P or torrent will suck all bandwidth , I choose to block things like that since we run an internal voice server at the LAN.

                These configs are geared toward LAN parties.  If you want to allow the Steam P2P for voice then just remove the rule.

                Thank you for the feedback on the config!!!!  It is good knowing that it is helping someone else out.

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                  albert001
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                  @sideout:

                  I am running at LAN parties where we have @160 people and using 2 or 3 modem's  for access.  Given that you cannot "bond" these modems together and we have to use the round robin load balancing , and that a P2P or torrent will suck all bandwidth , I choose to block things like that since we run an internal voice server at the LAN.

                  These configs are geared toward LAN parties.  If you want to allow the Steam P2P for voice then just remove the rule.

                  Thank you for the feedback on the config!!!!  It is good knowing that it is helping someone else out.

                  You da man! No more issues! But nobody has explained how the ack queues work. Can somebody explain? lol

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                    Nullity
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                    @albert001:

                    You da man! No more issues! But nobody has explained how the ack queues work. Can somebody explain? lol

                    http://www.benzedrine.ch/ackpri.html
                    http://doc.m0n0.ch/handbook/faq-ackprio.html

                    Not trying to be a jerk but you could answer your question much quicker by searching this forum or Google.

                    Please correct any obvious misinformation in my posts.
                    -Not a professional; an arrogant ignoramous.

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                      albert001
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                      @Nullity:

                      @albert001:

                      You da man! No more issues! But nobody has explained how the ack queues work. Can somebody explain? lol

                      http://www.benzedrine.ch/ackpri.html
                      http://doc.m0n0.ch/handbook/faq-ackprio.html

                      Not trying to be a jerk but you could answer your question much quicker by searching this forum or Google.

                      No offense taken but understanding the precise explanation of ACK's functions is not really what I meant. I understand the basics but as it relates to pfsense GUI and how applying to the configuration. I have yet to comprehend. So let me me rephrase my question:

                      In the pfSense GUI firewall rules section. How does the qACK and qACK/qGames differ? Does the qACK take priority? Does the qACK/qGames take more of a priority. That sort of explanation. I honestly am not doing this to understand the complete language behind it just enough to understand which setting or settings help to improve traffic shaping.

                      Even sideouts config has aliases…..I would like to know how assigning aliases helps this config. But i understand it may take too long so I figure the one thing I would like to understand how to apply is the qACK's section. Thanks.

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                        KOM
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                        How does the qACK and qACK/qGames differ? Does the qACK take priority? Does the qACK/qGames take more of a priority.

                        TCP requires an ACK to initiate the sending of the next packet from the source.  You generally want to prioritize ACKs because that is what TCP uses to help it's flow rate calculations.  UDP does not use ACK since it's a connectionless protocol.  That's why you see TCP rules direct ACKs into qACK and UDP rules don't.  In most shaper configs I've seen, you want to put ACK and DNS in the top queue, VoIP is next, HTTP/S next and everything else last.

                        I would like to know how assigning aliases helps this config.

                        It makes the ruleset both easier to rad and maintain.

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                          albert001
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                          @KOM:

                          How does the qACK and qACK/qGames differ? Does the qACK take priority? Does the qACK/qGames take more of a priority.

                          TCP requires an ACK to initiate the sending of the next packet from the source.  You generally want to prioritize ACKs because that is what TCP uses to help it's flow rate calculations.  UDP does not use ACK since it's a connectionless protocol.  That's why you see TCP rules direct ACKs into qACK and UDP rules don't.  In most shaper configs I've seen, you want to put ACK and DNS in the top queue, VoIP is next, HTTP/S next and everything else last.

                          I would like to know how assigning aliases helps this config.

                          It makes the ruleset both easier to rad and maintain.

                          Thanks!

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