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    Broken network scenario is broken

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Problems Installing or Upgrading pfSense Software
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      Mgd_Elislam
      last edited by

      thanks for you quick reply, but why not !

      a friend test this same scenario but with Microsoft TMG, and it's worked fine !

      every interface is separated from the other, the router (192.168.1.1) was attached to WAN (192.168.1.4), and all the network was in one switch with LAN interface, and the TMG work as a gateway for the LAN network with IP 192.168.1.5

      the result from this scenario all PC go up to internet with the TMG as a gateway, and no pc can see the outer or ping it, as it's not existed in the LAN network.

      So, the question is why pfsense, although every interface must work independent ?

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        heper
        last edited by

        a town has 2 streets with the exactly same name & numbering scheme.

        it is impossible for guy/girl from the post office to deliver letters/packages to either of the 2 streets, because the addresses are identical.

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          doktornotor Banned
          last edited by

          When you come up with a network "design" such as the one mentioned in the OP, the real question here is "should I really maintain my firewall?!"

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            chris23
            last edited by

            agreed, a reasonable amount of networking/subnet understanding is important.  Maybe do some testing/learning first…

            a friend test this same scenario but with Microsoft TMG, and it's worked fine !

            micro$oft for a firewall lol, as if that's going to end well…

            My weather station: http://rollestonpark.myzen.co.uk

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            • johnpozJ
              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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              On product that support ended back in april to boot..

              I don't know what your buddy was/is doing..  But you can not put the same network on 2 sides of a "router/firewall" and expect it to work…  This is just networking 101..

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                cmb
                last edited by

                Indeed what you're describing isn't valid with any router or firewall. It won't work reliably with TMG or any other device on Earth either, you can't have conflicting networks and have things work correctly. Subject corrected accordingly. :)

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                  last edited by

                  If your pfsense wan is 192.168.1.0/24 then make your lan 192.168.2.0/24 and you will be fine.. .

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                    Gertjan
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                    @johnpoz:

                    If your pfsense wan is 192.168.1.0/24 then make your lan 192.168.2.0/24 and you will be fine.. .

                    Yeah …. but this will be a thought one for Mgd_Elislam. cmb just told him that doing so will force him to change planets.
                    So, your advise will come in very hard  ;D

                    edit: btw: love the new subject line !

                    No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                    Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                      cmb
                      last edited by

                      Well, there's something on the Mars rover running OpenBSD I've been told, and it can't do it either. So won't even work on Mars! :D

                      It's a location-independent reality of networking. Yeah, use a diff subnet on LAN.

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                        divsys
                        last edited by

                        edit: btw: love the new subject line !

                        Noticed that right off and thought: That must mean all is OK, so this thread is not particularly useful - oh wait….... :o

                        -jfp

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                          rubic
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                          How to make your own default gateway out of nothing?

                          Say, you have a gateway that isn't default. Of course, you can use the checkbox in the gateway settings to set it as default, but that's too easy.

                          In the 'System: Static Routes' add the following:

                          
                          Destination network    Gateway
                                    0.0.0.0/1    your_gateway
                                  128.0.0.0/1    your_gateway
                          
                          

                          Now 'your_gateway' is default, no matter what you see in the 'Diagnostics: Routing tables'. Ugly enough? Yes, but this technique is used by "AVAST SecureLine VPN" client, for example, and has stone-hard theoretical grounds.

                          "The Longest Prefix Always Wins", so, back to the topic, dear Mgd_Elislam, set your WAN IP to 192.168.1.2/30. Set your LAN IP to 192.168.1.4/24, newer use 192.168.1.3. Nowhere! Probably your friend used alike settings in TMG.

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                          • johnpozJ
                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                            last edited by

                            And that is still a broke setup using /30 on wan and /24 on lan since they STILL Overlap!!!

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