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    • ?
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      Point taken on the memory - seems the 4GB sticks are a little harder to get hold of over here (in the UK), but doing so should cut the cost of memory by half.

      It all depends mostly on the use scenario and how many and what kind of packets will be installed
      and service will be used and offered on top.
      2 GB RAM for firewall only
      2 GB - 4 GB RAM for firewall & snort
      4 GB - 8 GB RAM for firewall, Snort, Squid & SquidGuard

      8 GB - 16 GB RAM for firewall, Snort, Squid & SquidGuard, pfBlocker-NG & HAVP (ClamAV)

      • high up the mbuf size to 1.000.000
      • high up the default Ram size of Squid
      • amount of users & services will increase

      The packet filter, the IP forwarding parts, and even NAT (part of pf, but run at a different phase) all hit the memory system.

      I could get a lower spec mobo and save some cash, but … I think I'll spend a little extra on the A1SRi-2758F which should do me well for some time.

      But I would assume that the Intel Atom C2758 SoC is using less electric power by being strong enough.
      Here you will get AES-NI and Intel QuickAssist and the QuickAssist is not really in usage and so no one is
      able to tell you whats going on if this will be unleashed and integrated fully in the pfSense code. So more
      future proof will be to go with the Intel C2758 SoC in my eyes. Also if all CPU cores will be used in the nearly
      future the entire system will be able to get a real speeding up effect so I would say the C2758 one is the better
      choice for being future proof.

      My hardware list works out quite expensive, ~£550 GBP, but it looks like the closest pfSense hardware is the SG-4860, which over here is >£900, so I'm making a saving there ! Either way, it's well over-specced for my needs, but I'd rather be over than under

      I think more the C2758 is more like the SG-8860 that comes closer to this tech. specs.

      If the A1SRi-2758F is a better setup, I'm not sure the saving is worth it (for me). I'd welcome thoughts!

      With the Intel Core i3 you could easily upgrade your system to another higher level for sure, you will be able to
      buy the strongest i3 or i5 CPU or alternatively an Xeon E3-12xxv3 CPU and also ECC RAM, but with the C2758
      you get the best bet in that CPU or SoC class at this time and I am personally thinking we all was not really
      seeing the end of what power this C2758 Atom SoC able to serve.

      One at last from me about the Samsung850 SSD, some customers were reporting about issues with
      this SSD by activating the TRIM support in pfSense, so I would more try out to get the former Samsung840
      SSD that was without any kind of problem.

      And if it is so, in real, that you want only run the pfSense as a pure firewall, you could also go with two
      other options that a really more saving money than the Intel Core i3 or i5 set up.

      • Jetway N2930 bundle (PSU, case & board) + 8 GB RAM + mSATA + WiFi ~300 € - 400 €
      • APU2C4 bundle (PSU, case & board) + mSATA + WiFi ~350 €

      They will be really strong and powerful enough to handle firewall + Snort + pfBlocker-NG for sure
      and pending on your Internet connection speed it will be enough.

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        @BlueKobold:

        …. so I would say the C2758 one is the better choice for being future proof.

        Thanks for the detailed response - useful!

        Stupid question, but just to be sure I'm not making a mistake: Atom C2758 = Supermicro A1SRi-2758F (i.e. the Supermicro mobo is one piece of kit which uses the Atom C2758).

        One other thing I'm unsure on, if anyone could clarify please - if I'm going to use a SSD for storage (with the A1SRi-2758F), do I need a picoPSU ? I was not sure if there is a SATA power socket on this mobo, which saves having to install the picoPSU.

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          Guest
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          Stupid question, but just to be sure I'm not making a mistake: Atom C2758 = Supermicro A1SRi-2758F (i.e. the Supermicro mobo is one piece of kit which uses the Atom C2758).

          On this board the Intel Atom C2758 SoC is soldered on as the CPU. It is also soldered on the SG-8860 and
          on the XG-C2758 1U unit from the pfSense shop. Or in short, yes. Supermicro A1SRi-2758F

          One other thing I'm unsure on, if anyone could clarify please - if I'm going to use a SSD for storage (with the A1SRi-2758F), do I need a picoPSU ? I was not sure if there is a SATA power socket on this mobo, which saves having to install the picoPSU.

          In this thread about this mainboard you will be able to read much more about the Supermicro A1SRi-2758 as here
          and there you could also read about what kind of PSU the other users were taking. Intel Mini-ITX Atom 8-core Hardware Build Recipe Available Here

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            On this board the Intel Atom C2758 SoC is soldered on as the CPU. It is also soldered on the SG-8860 and
            on the XG-C2758 1U unit from the pfSense shop. Or in short, yes. Supermicro A1SRi-2758F

            Perfect, thank you.

            In this thread about this mainboard you will be able to read much more about the Supermicro A1SRi-2758 as here
            and there you could also read about what kind of PSU the other users were taking. Intel Mini-ITX Atom 8-core Hardware Build Recipe Available Here

            Thanks. I did find/read that thread initially, but was still a little unsure. However, with further enlightenment it would appear that I have 2 options to supply power to the mobo and the SSD:

            • An appropriate power brick
            • If choosing the 4-pin connector, then a 4-pin cable extender
            • A Serial ATA 15 Pin Female to LP4 Female Power Cable (to power the SSD)

            or 2.

            • An appropriate power brick
            • A picoPSU (has the hard drive power connector built in)

            I'm inclined to go with option #1 for now.

            Looks like I'm good to go !

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            • ?
              Guest
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              With 8 GB or 16 GB you could;

              • high up the mbuf size to 1.000.000 (if needed)
              • high up the Squid default RAM size
              • high up create a RAM disk if you need it
                Please enable the following two things after install;
              • PowerD (hi adaptive) for the CPU
              • TRIM support for the SSD

              Please create a /boot/loader.conf.local file that owns all custom made settings to survive the next upgrade
              where all files will be new written and custom settings will be wiped away.

              Have fun.

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                I have 2 options to supply power to the mobo and the SSD:

                • An appropriate power brick
                • If choosing the 4-pin connector, then a 4-pin cable extender
                • A Serial ATA 15 Pin Female to LP4 Female Power Cable (to power the SSD)

                or 2.

                • An appropriate power brick
                • A picoPSU (has the hard drive power connector built in)

                I'm inclined to go with option #1 for now.

                Well, I would have gone with option 1, but I can't find a SATA 15 Pin Female to LP4 Female Power Cable anywhere for sale in the UK. Looks like I'm going for the picoPSU instead.

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                • PerforadoP
                  Perforado Rebel Alliance
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                  If you haven't got a case yet:

                  Antec ISK 300-150 Mini ITX http://www.amazon.co.uk/Antec-ISK300-150-0-8mm-Mini-ITX-Construction/dp/B0036CSMSG

                  I Built my  SOHO-Firewall with that Case (with a Supermicro A1SAi-2550F).

                  Almost silent internal sfx-powersupply.

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                    @Perforado:

                    If you haven't got a case yet:

                    Antec ISK 300-150 Mini ITX http://www.amazon.co.uk/Antec-ISK300-150-0-8mm-Mini-ITX-Construction/dp/B0036CSMSG

                    I Built my  SOHO-Firewall with that Case (with a Supermicro A1SAi-2550F).

                    Almost silent internal sfx-powersupply.

                    Looks a good case that, and would solve my issue with being unable to track down a cable. But … why did I then go and read a review on it, which was not complimentary about the PSU! If I hadn't have read it, I wouldn't have known, but now I do I'm not sure. Damn you "generic search engine" !

                    Quote:
                    "Antec ISK 300-150 is a small case targeted to users that want to build the smallest PC around. The main problem with this case is the power supply that comes with it, which provides a lousy efficiency below 80% all the time. Therefore we can’t recommend it."

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                    • PerforadoP
                      Perforado Rebel Alliance
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                      Ok. The test is from 2010. My powersupply has a 80 Plus silver sticker as far as i recall (mid 2015, running 24/7 since). Whatever that means ;)

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                        Like Natalie Imbruglia, I'm "Torn" on which case/PS to go for now!

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                          @spoiler:

                          Like Natalie Imbruglia, I'm "Torn" on which case/PS to go for now!

                          If you are really unsure, I would go with the M350 because this is 1000 times used to build a small
                          router or firewall with success by many customers or users. You can´t anything wrong with it.

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                            If you are really unsure, I would go with the M350 because this is 1000 times used to build a small
                            router or firewall with success by many customers or users. You can´t anything wrong with it.

                            Wise advice - I'll order the kit tomorrow !

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