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    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
    last edited by May 30, 2016, 11:26 PM

    Hmm, novel with the SFP port.

    Steve

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      Guest
      last edited by May 30, 2016, 11:58 PM

      Might be ideal to insert a modem as PCIe card into a pfSense firewall, so no extra modem at the
      outside is needed. Cool device.

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        Forsaked
        last edited by May 31, 2016, 6:22 AM May 31, 2016, 6:16 AM

        I hope this works out with pfSense (OS Support FreeBSD is stated) and is cheaper, so i can remove the DrayTek Vigor 130 from my buy list.
        Did i read correct that it only supports 100Mbit bi-directional?

        pfSense: 2.4.3

        System: QOTOM-Q355G4
        CPU: Intel Core i5-5250U
        RAM: 8GB SK Hynix DDR3L-1600
        LAN: Intel I211-AT
        SSD: 256GB Lite-On

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          kpa
          last edited by May 31, 2016, 8:45 AM

          Couldn't find it in the details but the host facing part could be your run of the mill Ethernet NIC which would explain the support for FreeBSD.

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            dragon2611
            last edited by Aug 4, 2016, 6:00 PM

            @kpa:

            Couldn't find it in the details but the host facing part could be your run of the mill Ethernet NIC which would explain the support for FreeBSD.

            From what I can gather it's essentially one of their modem/router combos on a PCI-E card and present itsself as an ethernet interface to the host PC.

            The SFP one is apperently project order only according to their UK site, the regular one will have an RJ11 for ADSL2/VDSL2 and an RJ45 for an ethernet wan, and supports ~150Mbit/s throughput which is probably fine for most people here as lets face it if you are using it with pfSense you probably bought it for the DSL modem and will be operating it in bridge mode.

            No Idea if the Ethernet WAN port could also be bridged.

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              chpalmer
              last edited by Aug 5, 2016, 5:17 AM

              Thanks for this link-  New stuff to play with.  ;D

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                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                last edited by Aug 11, 2016, 11:37 AM

                @dragon2611:

                From what I can gather it's essentially one of their modem/router combos on a PCI-E card and present itsself as an ethernet interface to the host PC.

                That's what it looks like to me too. Essentially a V130 on a PCIe card. It will appear as an Ethernet card to pfSense. Be nice if it wasn't Realtek….. but it's probably Realtek.  ;)

                For use with pfSense you would want to run it bridged. I've not used a V130 but the V120 I used for years is bridged by default, I don't think this card will be though so some configuration would be required.

                Steve

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                  kklouzal
                  last edited by Aug 13, 2016, 5:32 PM

                  That's amazing I love it! Can we get one for DOCSIS 3/3.1??

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                    dragon2611
                    last edited by Sep 19, 2016, 3:11 PM

                    @stephenw10:

                    @dragon2611:

                    From what I can gather it's essentially one of their modem/router combos on a PCI-E card and present itsself as an ethernet interface to the host PC.

                    That's what it looks like to me too. Essentially a V130 on a PCIe card. It will appear as an Ethernet card to pfSense. Be nice if it wasn't Realtek….. but it's probably Realtek.  ;)

                    For use with pfSense you would want to run it bridged. I've not used a V130 but the V120 I used for years is bridged by default, I don't think this card will be though so some configuration would be required.

                    Steve

                    It is indeed a Realtek, as I've just got my hands on one.  It's also on 192.168.2.1 not 192.168.1.1 as the QSG would have you believe and may need a firmware update to enable bridging of VDSL2.

                    My Proxmox host sees it as "Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller" in LSPCI and references r8169 in dmesg when bringing the nic up/down.

                    DSL modem side appears to be Infineon, with latest firmware it works in bridge ok not sure about as an actual router though as the release notes seem to suggest that might be broken.  :o

                    Syncs at around 65/16.5 with the broadcom DSLAM my line is connected to, was getting around 67/18 with the broadcom modem previously.

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                      TBFK
                      last edited by Oct 1, 2016, 1:20 AM

                      I have a setup in mind: 2× VigorNIC 320 acting as VDSL2 modems for 2 different ISPs configured for load balancing and an Ethernet with 4 ports for the router itself. Would that be possible with pfSense?

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                        Limbi
                        last edited by Oct 1, 2016, 9:02 AM

                        It may lower the latencies, but it also expose you hardware to electric shock from the phone line. Also VDSl scales much higher than 250mbps, doesn't seems so shining after all.

                        AMD Athlon 5350 @2.1Ghz
                        Asus AM1M-A
                        Kingston 4GB 1R 1600EC11 @C10
                        Kingston V300 60GB
                        Intel Pro/1000 PT dual (wan+lan)
                        OEM 90w psu
                        80mm case fan
                        100/20M vdsl2+ internet connection
                        pfsense 2.3.3dev
                        some package installed

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                          Guest
                          last edited by Oct 4, 2016, 4:21 PM

                          @Limbi:

                          It may lower the latencies, but it also expose you hardware to electric shock from the phone line. Also VDSl scales much higher than 250mbps, doesn't seems so shining after all.

                          That's unlikely. Any EU or not-third-world country has rules on how to connect and get approval for phone lines, and nearly all of it means MOV's, Y-class caps, and often galvanic separation. No shocks there!

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                            kpa
                            last edited by Oct 4, 2016, 4:43 PM

                            @johnkeates:

                            @Limbi:

                            It may lower the latencies, but it also expose you hardware to electric shock from the phone line. Also VDSl scales much higher than 250mbps, doesn't seems so shining after all.

                            That's unlikely. Any EU or not-third-world country has rules on how to connect and get approval for phone lines, and nearly all of it means MOV's, Y-class caps, and often galvanic separation. No shocks there!

                            Except when you live in the rural areas (I don't) lightning shocks can still damage equipment connected to the phone lines, I've seen it happen on systems that had multiple levels of protection by galvanic separation and other safety measures.

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                              Guest
                              last edited by Oct 4, 2016, 4:44 PM

                              @kpa:

                              @johnkeates:

                              @Limbi:

                              It may lower the latencies, but it also expose you hardware to electric shock from the phone line. Also VDSl scales much higher than 250mbps, doesn't seems so shining after all.

                              That's unlikely. Any EU or not-third-world country has rules on how to connect and get approval for phone lines, and nearly all of it means MOV's, Y-class caps, and often galvanic separation. No shocks there!

                              Except when you live in the rural areas (I don't) lightning shocks can still damage equipment connected to the phone lines, I've seen it happen on systems that had multiple levels of protection by galvanic separation and other safety measures.

                              Wouldn't that damage via power lines, simple nearby conductivity and ethernet cables as well?

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                                chpalmer
                                last edited by Oct 6, 2016, 3:11 AM

                                @johnkeates:

                                Except when you live in the rural areas (I don't) lightning shocks can still damage equipment connected to the phone lines, I've seen it happen on systems that had multiple levels of protection by galvanic separation and other safety measures.

                                Wouldn't that damage via power lines, simple nearby conductivity and ethernet cables as well?

                                Possible but buffered. And that can make all the difference.

                                We build and maintain radio sites that get struck pretty regularly. You pretty much know right away if you did it wrong. There are some pretty impressive telco line protectors out there yet we loose more telco equipment in our shacks than anything else.

                                Triggering snowflakes one by one..
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                                  mephisto
                                  last edited by Aug 16, 2017, 1:44 PM

                                  @dragon2611:

                                  @stephenw10:

                                  @dragon2611:

                                  From what I can gather it's essentially one of their modem/router combos on a PCI-E card and present itsself as an ethernet interface to the host PC.

                                  That's what it looks like to me too. Essentially a V130 on a PCIe card. It will appear as an Ethernet card to pfSense. Be nice if it wasn't Realtek….. but it's probably Realtek.  ;)

                                  For use with pfSense you would want to run it bridged. I've not used a V130 but the V120 I used for years is bridged by default, I don't think this card will be though so some configuration would be required.

                                  Steve

                                  It is indeed a Realtek, as I've just got my hands on one.  It's also on 192.168.2.1 not 192.168.1.1 as the QSG would have you believe and may need a firmware update to enable bridging of VDSL2.

                                  My Proxmox host sees it as "Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller" in LSPCI and references r8169 in dmesg when bringing the nic up/down.

                                  DSL modem side appears to be Infineon, with latest firmware it works in bridge ok not sure about as an actual router though as the release notes seem to suggest that might be broken.  :o

                                  Syncs at around 65/16.5 with the broadcom DSLAM my line is connected to, was getting around 67/18 with the broadcom modem previously.

                                  Did you manage to use in bridge mode in pfsense? If not, which OS did you try on?

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                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                    last edited by Aug 20, 2017, 5:49 PM

                                    If it's not in bridge mode it should just appear as a router connected to a Realtek NiC. It shouldn't matter what OS the host is running as long as it supports that NIC.

                                    Steve

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                                      Guest
                                      last edited by Aug 20, 2017, 6:03 PM

                                      On top of that: it's not a "VDSL modem for pfSense", it's a modem on top of a network card, no different from a standalone modem with an ethernet connection. You cannot configure it from pfSense, you cannot make a 'direct' connection and you can't do anything DSL-related with it. You still have to log in to the interface on the modem itself, change the settings there, and still manage it separately.

                                      The only difference is that it's installed inside the system instead of in it's own box.

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                                        mephisto
                                        last edited by Aug 20, 2017, 6:28 PM

                                        @johnkeates:

                                        On top of that: it's not a "VDSL modem for pfSense", it's a modem on top of a network card, no different from a standalone modem with an ethernet connection. You cannot configure it from pfSense, you cannot make a 'direct' connection and you can't do anything DSL-related with it. You still have to log in to the interface on the modem itself, change the settings there, and still manage it separately.

                                        The only difference is that it's installed inside the system instead of in it's own box.

                                        Does it mean I need to physically plug the ethernet port of the vdsl card back into another ethernet port for pfsense for example to use PPPOE?

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                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                          last edited by Aug 20, 2017, 6:31 PM

                                          No.

                                          The Realtek NIC on the 'modem' card is connected to the host via PCIe just as a separate NIC would be.

                                          Steve

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